US Politics 2

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by captain red dog » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:49 am

Jenuall wrote:The problem is that getting to the bottom of all the gooseberry fool Trump has been up to would be more work than any administration could likely achieve in any one term and they would probably get strawberry float all else done in that time!

Surely they can just set up a task force and let them get on with it? Not having the time to investigate isn't really an excuse.

We all know the evidence will be there to convict Trump. He is definitely no criminal mastermind, he can't keep his mouth shut. The only thing protecting him is that he controls everything.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Moggy » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:52 am

captain red dog wrote:Honestly I can't get my hopes up that Trump will be out. The polls have been completely wrong so many times recently.


The polls are never all that wrong. They were spot on with the popular vote. The trouble is the electoral college.

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by Victor Mildew » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:53 am

Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:Honestly I can't get my hopes up that Trump will be out. The polls have been completely wrong so many times recently.


The polls are never all that wrong. They were spot on with the popular vote. The trouble is the electoral college.


And from what little I understand about that, is that collectively just decide the outcome regardless of votes.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Jenuall » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:53 am

captain red dog wrote:
Jenuall wrote:The problem is that getting to the bottom of all the gooseberry fool Trump has been up to would be more work than any administration could likely achieve in any one term and they would probably get strawberry float all else done in that time!

Surely they can just set up a task force and let them get on with it? Not having the time to investigate isn't really an excuse.

We all know the evidence will be there to convict Trump. He is definitely no criminal mastermind, he can't keep his mouth shut. The only thing protecting him is that he controls everything.

I think the problem is the scale of the investigation that will be required, and the number of obstacles and people/institutions that would still be actively blocking it even after Trump and the Republicans have lost. Trump isn't a mastermind but it doesn't mean everyone involved is a moron.

It absolutely needs to happen, but it's not going to be easy and there will need to be a balancing act between investigating what has happened over the last 4 years and actually doing work to put the country back on track to undo the mess - I don't think either of those tasks can be achieved in as thorough a way as is necessary within the space of a single term (which may be all the Democrats get :dread: )

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Corazon de Leon » Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:08 pm

Trump‘a been nominated for a Nobel peace prize :lol:

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by Moggy » Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:13 pm

Corazon de Leon wrote:Trump‘a been nominated for a Nobel peace prize :lol:


By a far right Norwegian politician.

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by Peter Crisp » Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:16 pm

I'm going to nominate Chalky for the direct opposite for the number of times he's viciously team killed me in R6 Siege :evil: .

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by Corazon de Leon » Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:23 pm

Moggy wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote:Trump‘a been nominated for a Nobel peace prize :lol:


By a far right Norwegian politician.


I saw the politician's name but didn't know anything of his persuasion. Just the thought of it is so strawberry floating ludicrous I thought it warranted a post. :lol:

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by DML » Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:36 pm

Victor Mildew wrote:
Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:Honestly I can't get my hopes up that Trump will be out. The polls have been completely wrong so many times recently.


The polls are never all that wrong. They were spot on with the popular vote. The trouble is the electoral college.


And from what little I understand about that, is that collectively just decide the outcome regardless of votes.


Hes got big leads in nearly all the swing states.

And when you say the polls have been wrong so many times, what you mean is 'twice - and just barely'.

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by Moggy » Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:44 pm

Corazon de Leon wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote:Trump‘a been nominated for a Nobel peace prize :lol:


By a far right Norwegian politician.


I saw the politician's name but didn't know anything of his persuasion. Just the thought of it is so strawberry floating ludicrous I thought it warranted a post. :lol:


Oh yeah it warranted a post.

He's a member of this party: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progress_Party_(Norway)

Basically the political party of Twitter style "classical liberals".

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by Cuttooth » Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:48 pm

DML wrote:
Victor Mildew wrote:
Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:Honestly I can't get my hopes up that Trump will be out. The polls have been completely wrong so many times recently.


The polls are never all that wrong. They were spot on with the popular vote. The trouble is the electoral college.


And from what little I understand about that, is that collectively just decide the outcome regardless of votes.


Hes got big leads in nearly all the swing states.

And when you say the polls have been wrong so many times, what you mean is 'twice - and just barely'.


Biden's leads in Florida and North Carolina have both narrowed recently and are turning into tossups. He should still hold on to Pennsylvania and is comfortable in the midwest but it's much tighter than it was a couple of months ago.

That coupled with the likelihood of results on the day of the election likely being better for Trump than Biden due to more people voting via the post and you have a recipe for an incredibly hairy November.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Corazon de Leon » Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:49 pm

Eww. That makes a hell of a lot more sense than some run of the mill politician nominating him.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Hexx » Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:51 pm

If Trump wins (and it'll be EC not popular vote at least...I'll despire

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Moggy » Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:11 pm

Cuttooth wrote:
DML wrote:
Victor Mildew wrote:
Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:Honestly I can't get my hopes up that Trump will be out. The polls have been completely wrong so many times recently.


The polls are never all that wrong. They were spot on with the popular vote. The trouble is the electoral college.


And from what little I understand about that, is that collectively just decide the outcome regardless of votes.


Hes got big leads in nearly all the swing states.

And when you say the polls have been wrong so many times, what you mean is 'twice - and just barely'.


Biden's leads in Florida and North Carolina have both narrowed recently and are turning into tossups. He should still hold on to Pennsylvania and is comfortable in the midwest but it's much tighter than it was a couple of months ago.

That coupled with the likelihood of results on the day of the election likely being better for Trump than Biden due to more people voting via the post and you have a recipe for an incredibly hairy November.


The polls in Florida for Biden have barely changed. There's been higher polling for Trump which has narrowed it, I find it unbelievable that there are still "undecideds" in America. Surely by now they should know if they love or hate Trump? Who the hell thinks "he's ok"?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/florida/

The postal votes are going to make this messy. If Trump wins on the day, he's going to go all out on postal votes being unreliable/fraudulent. It could go on for weeks and will only get nastier.

Will be interesting if Trump narrowly loses on the day, will he then change his mind to say postal votes are great and he can't concede until all votes are counted? :lol:

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Corazon de Leon » Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:12 pm

What have you got against spires?

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by Lex-Man » Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:21 pm

Moggy wrote:
The polls in Florida for Biden have barely changed. There's been higher polling for Trump which has narrowed it, I find it unbelievable that there are still "undecideds" in America. Surely by now they should know if they love or hate Trump? Who the hell thinks "he's ok"?



Presumably there are people who dislike the Dems as they see them as leftist anarchists and also see Trump as a pretty shitty human being. Basically buying all the attack lines.

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by Memento Mori » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:18 pm

Trump inexplicably agreed to be interviewed on tape (!) for Bob Woodward's new book. CNN has been playing the audio and strawberry floating hell. He admits to Woodward in February how dangerous coronavirus was while downlplaying it in press conferences.

Who thought agreeing to be taped by Woodward was a good idea?

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by Lex-Man » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:34 pm

Memento Mori wrote:Trump inexplicably agreed to be interviewed on tape (!) for Bob Woodward's new book. CNN has been playing the audio and strawberry floating hell. He admits to Woodward in February how dangerous coronavirus was while downlplaying it in press conferences.

Who thought agreeing to be taped by Woodward was a good idea?


Embed interview stuff if anyone wants to hear it.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/09/poli ... index.html

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Memento Mori » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:39 pm




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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Cuttooth » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:57 pm

Thanks Woodward for just holding on to that information, no way that could have made a difference to the near 200,000 people who died during this dumb culture war. :roll:


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