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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Kanbei » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:21 pm

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Tomous wrote:Biden beat Trump in the ratings :lol:

Thats probably upset Trump more than anything else this year


He's going to be furious :lol: :lol: :lol:

More people watched Biden on ABC than Trump on NBC, MSNBC and CNBC

Joe Biden's town hall on ABC averaged 13.9 million viewers on Thursday night, easily surpassing the Nielsen ratings for President Trump's town hall on NBC. That alone was a result virtually no one in the TV business expected. And that's not even the most surprising part.

The Trump town hall was simulcast by two of NBC's cable channels, MSNBC and CNBC, but even when those channels are included in the total, Biden -- on only one network -- still prevailed.

The Trump town hall averaged 10.6 million viewers on the NBC broadcast network. On MSNBC, Trump reached 1.74 million viewers, and on CNBC, about 671,000 viewers. So Trump's gross audience across the three channels was 13 million, about one million fewer than Biden's audience on ABC alone.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/16/medi ... index.html


If you take the millions of people who watched Biden's Town Hall illegally, I would have had more viewers #MAGA #SleepyJoe

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Meep » Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:21 pm

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Return_of_the_STAR wrote:It’s funny that a number of both left and right wingers complain that the BBC is biased the opposite way. In realty they try to be the least biased they possibly can however ultimately you often can’t stop the beliefs of a reporter, journalist, programmer from showing at various levels.

Unfortunately this is simply not true. Independently analysis of things like instances of negative/positive wording repeatedly demonstrates the BBC to be deferential to the government and airtime appearances show bias to right leaning voices and that of industry leaders over trade union opinion by a wide margin. The BBC has an objectively measurable bias to authority.

Being generous, I think much of the problem with the BBC is that they look at newspaper headlines and use them to judge the temperature of the current debates. However, the problem with that is that the print media in the UK is dominated by foreign billionaire press barons who are essentially spokespeople for the Tories. This basically means they end up amplifying the already unbalanced media in the UK.


Have you got sources for that?

I think there was a number of university studies citing such. Obviously I never actually read the studies myself because I don't have enough time or care enough to wade through university studies. I freely admit I'm not that good at statistical analysis so doubt I would get much from them. If you are interested in the topic I would recommend reading Myth of a Public Service.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Lex-Man » Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:37 pm

Meep wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
Meep wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:It’s funny that a number of both left and right wingers complain that the BBC is biased the opposite way. In realty they try to be the least biased they possibly can however ultimately you often can’t stop the beliefs of a reporter, journalist, programmer from showing at various levels.

Unfortunately this is simply not true. Independently analysis of things like instances of negative/positive wording repeatedly demonstrates the BBC to be deferential to the government and airtime appearances show bias to right leaning voices and that of industry leaders over trade union opinion by a wide margin. The BBC has an objectively measurable bias to authority.

Being generous, I think much of the problem with the BBC is that they look at newspaper headlines and use them to judge the temperature of the current debates. However, the problem with that is that the print media in the UK is dominated by foreign billionaire press barons who are essentially spokespeople for the Tories. This basically means they end up amplifying the already unbalanced media in the UK.


Have you got sources for that?

I think there was a number of university studies citing such. Obviously I never actually read the studies myself because I don't have enough time or care enough to wade through university studies. I freely admit I'm not that good at statistical analysis so doubt I would get much from them. If you are interested in the topic I would recommend reading Myth of a Public Service.


I checked on scholar and I found one report that suggested that there was slight bias towards Labour before 2015 but a slight conservative bias afterwards. There was another report that used neural nets to search for bias and they found a weak bias towards pro Brexit stuff during in the referendum. A third suggested that looked at news out between 2002-2008 found biased but towards both Labour and the Tories at the expense of other view points and that on other issues they tend to only allow a few view points when a multitude exist.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by KK » Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:14 pm

Just been watching this:


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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Drumstick » Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:16 pm

It's an exciting time when Texas is in play.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Tineash » Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:17 pm

Beto not running for senate again was the biggest mistake of his life. Huge 'sliding doors' moment, possibly on a national scale.

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by Igor » Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:40 am

Tineash wrote:Beto not running for senate again was the biggest mistake of his life. Huge 'sliding doors' moment, possibly on a national scale.


Could you expand a little on this thought, I've not followed O'Rourke that much but I can now see he's going to be teaching at Texas State?

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by Banjo » Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:47 am

Lex-Man wrote:
Meep wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
Meep wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:It’s funny that a number of both left and right wingers complain that the BBC is biased the opposite way. In realty they try to be the least biased they possibly can however ultimately you often can’t stop the beliefs of a reporter, journalist, programmer from showing at various levels.

Unfortunately this is simply not true. Independently analysis of things like instances of negative/positive wording repeatedly demonstrates the BBC to be deferential to the government and airtime appearances show bias to right leaning voices and that of industry leaders over trade union opinion by a wide margin. The BBC has an objectively measurable bias to authority.

Being generous, I think much of the problem with the BBC is that they look at newspaper headlines and use them to judge the temperature of the current debates. However, the problem with that is that the print media in the UK is dominated by foreign billionaire press barons who are essentially spokespeople for the Tories. This basically means they end up amplifying the already unbalanced media in the UK.


Have you got sources for that?

I think there was a number of university studies citing such. Obviously I never actually read the studies myself because I don't have enough time or care enough to wade through university studies. I freely admit I'm not that good at statistical analysis so doubt I would get much from them. If you are interested in the topic I would recommend reading Myth of a Public Service.


I checked on scholar and I found one report that suggested that there was slight bias towards Labour before 2015 but a slight conservative bias afterwards. There was another report that used neural nets to search for bias and they found a weak bias towards pro Brexit stuff during in the referendum. A third suggested that looked at news out between 2002-2008 found biased but towards both Labour and the Tories at the expense of other view points and that on other issues they tend to only allow a few view points when a multitude exist.

I just go by this image:

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Absolutely farcical, have they ever shown something this biased against the Tories on this side of the millenium?

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Tomous » Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:48 am

The strawberry float.

What was the context of that?

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Knoyleo » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:06 am

Meanwhile :

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Return_of_the_STAR » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:02 am

Wow

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by Corazon de Leon » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:19 am

Kuenssberg repeatedly keeps hold of her job - there have been at least one or two calls for her to resign - and therefore the BBC are at the very least complicit in any bias she shows.

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by Moggy » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:52 am

Corazon de Leon wrote:Kuenssberg repeatedly keeps hold of her job - there have been at least one or two calls for her to resign - and therefore the BBC are at the very least complicit in any bias she shows.


Lineker is a lefty so they have balance ;)

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Nibble » Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:23 am

And, of course, there was this:


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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Peter Crisp » Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:07 pm

Drumstick wrote:It's an exciting time when Texas is in play.


I know DIY is popular but I think the Dems may need to broaden their appeal if they want to win.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Tineash » Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:34 pm

Igor wrote:
Tineash wrote:Beto not running for senate again was the biggest mistake of his life. Huge 'sliding doors' moment, possibly on a national scale.


Could you expand a little on this thought, I've not followed O'Rourke that much but I can now see he's going to be teaching at Texas State?


Beto ran Cruz very close in the senate race in '18. Texas' other senator, John Cornyn is up for relection this year, but Beto got high on his own supply and thought he could take the step up and run for president. That ended very quickly and quite embarrassingly. If, in some alternate world, Beto had run for senate again this year instead, he would be (imo) in a fantastic position to win given the national climate. Then, Senator O'Rourke is the favourite for the Dem nomination for president in '24 or '28 whenever that position is open. No doubt in my mind about that at all.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Drumstick » Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:56 pm

Why couldn't he have run for senate despite the failed presidential run?

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by Alvin Flummux » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:00 pm



:wub:

Drumstick wrote:Why couldn't he have run for senate despite the failed presidential run?


Didn't want to. The previous loss plus this one might've made him reevaluate his life.

Also might've missed some filing deadlines by remaining in the race.


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