US Politics 2

I don't think we're all that different sadly.

Peter Crisp wrote:I think maybe part of it is a feeling that if it's free at the point of service people will abuse it.
The problem with that idea is most people are honest and more than that I'm unsure who would want to make themselves feel unwell just so they can go and see a doctor.

I suppose it depends on GP capacity. I'm guessing the entire US system is private GPs. So there is an element of control, in that people will only have to go to the doctors if they really genuinely need it (and even then many don't as they can't afford it).

Over here, most people would tend to visit the doctors more I guess, as it is free at the point of service. Now obviously, that's how I think it should be, but I'm guessing it will be very costly for the US to try and switch to that kind of system. They likely wouldn't have the capacity to cope with more people using the grassroots healthcare, which would lead to a knock on as more people start using the healthcare system and get referred to hospital etc.

So I do think there is probably an aspect of capacity that hasn't really been explored. More doctors will be needed, and probably a whole lot more hospitals. Basically, the US healthcare service would need to be entirely revised, and I doubt they would be able to train the doctors needed. That would mean needing to import doctors, and that won't go down well in a month of Sundays.

So even if the left win the healthcare argument, they will then lose the battle to create the capacity as republicans won't want to spend on infrastructure or increase immigration.

It all makes me very glad to be from a European system. I guess in some ways we were very lucky when the NHS was set up, infrastructure was already on its knees and we had a massive labour shortage as it was. If we had a US style system now, I don't think we'd stand a chance of setting up an NHS in this day and age.

Just want to clarify that this isn't an endorsement of the US system at all, or a justification for those in the US that don't want to provide healthcare for all. Its more just a thought, that like with gun control, the US could well be past the point of no return.

twitter.com/thehill/status/1232324881431322624

Toddler-in-chief.

Now he knows he'll be inspecting his potatoes to make sure none sneaks in.

Alvin Flummux wrote:Now he knows he'll be inspecting his potatoes to make sure none sneaks in.

He’ll have to build a wall around his potatoes to stop the cauliflower sneaking in.

Moggy wrote:

Alvin Flummux wrote:Now he knows he'll be inspecting his potatoes to make sure none sneaks in.

He’ll have to build a wall around his potatoes to stop the cauliflower sneaking in.

A wall of meat.

Alvin Flummux wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Alvin Flummux wrote:Now he knows he'll be inspecting his potatoes to make sure none sneaks in.

He’ll have to build a wall around his potatoes to stop the cauliflower sneaking in.

A wall of meat.

You’re thinking of Trump’s meat?

Video of Orlando police getting the most violent of offenders off the streets:

Police bodycam footage released on 25 February has captured the moment a visibly distressed child was arrested at her school in Orlando, Florida in September 2019.

The six-year-old girl was restrained with zip ties and escorted to a waiting police car after misbehaving in class.

Lawyers for her family at Smith and Eulo Law Firm told the BBC that the family chose to release the footage because they wanted to show how the arrest unfolded.

The person whose bodycam captured the ordeal was fired after an internal investigation by the Orlando Police Department. Officer Dennis Turner had not followed the correct protocol, which states that a police officer must have their supervisor's approval to arrest any child under the age of 12.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us- ... ida-school

Even before I looked, I knew she was black.

Arresting a six year old, beyond parody

The failures here are astonishing. First the teacher and school thought the best action was to call the cops? On a 6 year old? Then the cop thinks it’s a good idea to arrest and restrain a kid like that? Then at the police station they think it’s a good idea to take her fingerprints and mugshot?

This isn’t just one idiot racist cop, it’s a failure from top to bottom.

strawberry floating monsters.

America, strawberry float yeah

Land of the free everybody!

Moggy wrote:The failures here are astonishing. First the teacher and school thought the best action was to call the cops? On a 6 year old? Then the cop thinks it’s a good idea to arrest and restrain a kid like that? Then at the police station they think it’s a good idea to take her fingerprints and mugshot?

This isn’t just one idiot racist cop, it’s a failure from top to bottom.

strawberry floating monsters.

I'm rarely triggered by footage I see online these days but strawberry float me that was horrible to watch. Like you say, the entire system there is just completely messed up. I'd go as far as saying those weren't just "failures", that was pure inhumanity.

My own son is 6 years old, and honestly I don't know what I'd do if he was treated like that.

captain red dog wrote:My own son is 6 years old, and honestly I don't know what I'd do if he was treated like that.

I'd be getting a very good lawyer to sue the gooseberry fool out of the police department and school.

Moggy wrote:Even before I looked, I knew she was black.

It's kinda sad that I immediately made that (correct) assumption as well.

AMERICAAAA

OrangeRKN wrote:Arresting a six year old, beyond parody

The US is fast becoming a police state where the police demand absolute obedience and any questioning of them can and does result in arrest. Many states also have a rule where if you're carrying cash the police can just take it and it's up to you to prove it's not the result of criminal activity.

If I had to get the police to arrest a six year old, I'd question my ability to teach.

Peter Crisp wrote:The US is fast becoming a police state

It's been that for decades.

Moggy wrote:

Peter Crisp wrote:The US is fast becoming a police state

It's been that for decades.

It is amazing to see so many people reflexively defend the police when they use tactics that would be unacceptable anywhere in Europe and the casual way they point guns at people. Also being arrested in the US has a pretty devastating effect as it makes getting a decent job unlikely and the petty things they incarcerate people for means it's easy to get sent to jail.
Given the US is supposed to be a Christian country it's rather odd to see just how much they like to punish people for the crime of being poor or not actively able to work.