US Politics 2

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Photek » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:19 am

Tafdolphin wrote:Photek, it's me saying BioShock Infinite has some issues that triggers you.

It's people mildly criticising Microsoft that triggers you.

It's people using generalised terminology for a nation of people that triggers you.

Maybe the problem isn't the other posters?

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Also, this is probably the best self-summation of a forum personality I've seen in a while.

Photek wrote:I'm not going to be baited into 'nuance'


You're top 2 points are simply untrue vapid nonsense but the third one does.

A very Ironic post too, although your 'self-aware-o-meter' is always WAY OFF these days so maybe you don't realise it.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Tafdolphin » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:25 am

WAY OFF

You told me my words had given you AIDS after I critiqued the racial politics of Infinite. So yeah.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Photek » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:30 am

I used to really like you Taf, you used to articulate arguments and points to such a dizzying extent that I'd just admire your posts and generally champion everything you did. I can't tell if I've changed or you have but I feel I've been duped, recently it's like the emperor has no clothes. I won't go into it further but good god I'm disappointed.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Tafdolphin » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:31 am

But still. AIDS.

Anyway

Karen Pence, wife of Vice President Mike Pence, started at a job this week teaching art at Immanuel Christian School in Northern Virginia. It’s not a school where everyone is welcome.

In a “parent agreement” posted online, the school says it will refuse admission to students who participate in or condone homosexual activity, HuffPost learned through an investigation into discriminatory admissions policies. The 2018 employment application also makes candidates sign a pledge not to engage in homosexual activity or violate the “unique roles of male and female.”


https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 3842943238

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Photek » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:37 am

The Pence's are nuanced individuals Taf, c'mon man.

How is a school like that legal? :dread:

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Peter Crisp » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:38 am

You can say what you like about the state of our politics but at least we don't generally have religion involved.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Preezy » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:41 am

Religion is the toxic multiplier in the US, its stink is on everything wrong with the place.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Photek » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:42 am

Peter Crisp wrote:You can say what you like about the state of our politics but at least we don't generally have religion involved.

Yep, although it's only been like that here for about 15years or so. Ireland (the Republic) has become so Anti Religion in recent times it's stunning and lovely all at once.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Hexx » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:44 am

Peter Crisp wrote:You can say what you like about the state of our politics but at least we don't generally have religion involved.


Yeah! Not like the Irish :dread:

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by Corazon de Leon » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:54 am

Preezy wrote:Religion is the toxic multiplier in the US, its stink is on everything wrong with the place.


I agree with this. One of the biggest problems is that the separation of church and state which is literally enshrined by the constitution has been ignored more and more recently, with the argument of "freedom of speech" being used to silence it.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Photek » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:56 am

Hexx wrote:
Peter Crisp wrote:You can say what you like about the state of our politics but at least we don't generally have religion involved.


Yeah! Not like the Irish :dread:

Yeah, having an openly Gay and son of an Immigrant Taoiseach is championed by the Catholic Church. :x

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Corazon de Leon » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:10 am

I’m disappointed that Godwin’s law has been invoked. The Republican Party is inherently problematic in many ways, but they aren’t Nazis. Let’s not go down that road. I’m also disappointed that you think I’m ignoring the abhorrent work that the Trump administration has done - in fact it’s quite the opposite. I’m highly critical of Trump and the divisive atmosphere that he has fostered and furthered both within Washington and in the wider United States. His media campaigns and relationship with the press are my specialist areas, and I’m researching and working(very slowly) on a book* that’ll hopefully shine a light into just how badly Trump has messed the country up. I’d kindly ask you not to jump to conclusions about me when you make a post, Photek. I don’t think I’ve done that to you.

And for what it’s worth, I am not in any way a Republican sympathiser. I find a lot of the party views to be quite the antithesis of my own personal beliefs but I also believe that it’s the duty of every individual who is involved in politics** to educate themselves on the finer points of each of the major political schools of thought and different viewpoints. You can’t learn anything or form a valid opinion without first understanding how both sides think.

Further to this, demonising an entire political class of people leads to resentment. It leads to sloganising on both sides, to propaganda, to lines in the sand and ultimately it leads to Donald Trump, Brexit, division and an irreparable division that needn’t have occurred. It was the demonisation of a country full of people that literally led to the rise of the Nazi party, and there are so, so many historical precedents as to how harmful making crass generalisations can be. A lot of times in this thread people make blanket statements because of, for example, something Mike Pence has said or done, and that basically equates to “Pence is a dick, and therefore all Republicans are dicks and Nazis.” Which is wrong, and contributes to the cycle of hate which is tearing both America and the UK up in recent times.*** We’re better than that on here.

All I’m saying really is that it’s easy to get caught up in justifications and condemnations and anger and risk perpetuating it all for the next generation. Take a step back, condemn the people who deserve to be condemned, and don’t tar everyone with the same brush.

On a final note, It’s absolutely tragic to me that neither democrats nor republicans seem to be able to work in a bipartisan manner in the way that they could fifty or sixty years ago - bipartisanship led to the New Deal, the Great Society and so much good in American society.

*I just need a publisher. :lol:

**Everyone. Everyone should educate themselves.

***I can’t reiterate hard enough just how abhorrent I find Mike Pence’s politics, by the way. I’d really appreciate not being told what I am ignoring, because I assure you that I’m not.

Edited for spelling errors and remove repeated use of the words "I think," because of course it's what I think, I made the bloody post.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Photek » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:14 am

My anger at the Republicans has been brewing for a while now.

I never like them but the hatred started after Sandy Hook. I sat at home sobbing to myself hearing about those children, I well up even now thinking about it. The pathetic response from republicans who voted any regulation on guns down from a bill brought to them by the parents of these children begging them to change things.

Some people have become apathetic to the mass shootings but I just get angrier and angrier and I can list off dozens and dozens of things the republicans have handled reprehensibly (not least Israel - and the dems are banana splits in this too) but when those children were separated from their parents and that audio was released I wept again and again It turned into anger so I find anyone, ANYONE who stands with this party is a stain on decency and humanity and I'll never think otherwise.

EDIT: Obama made the grave mistake of trying to bury partisanship between the parties and the Republicans royally f*cked him over.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Corazon de Leon » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:24 am

I get that, I really do. It’s natural and understandable, especially when you’ve got kids yourself because you empathise with the situation. I think you’re a good dude, Photek, and obviously passionate about what you believe.

Sometimes my posts can get a bit longwinded talking about American politics, it’s probably the dissertations talking at this point. The point I’m making is that the biggest problem the US has is that both sides are becoming too entrenched in their views - nobody wants to talk to one another. We hate them, they hate us, everybody hates everybody else at the moment and everything is so polarised. I don’t want to perpetuate that, is all.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Albert » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:29 am

Corazon de Leon wrote:I’m disappointed that Godwin’s law has been invoked. The Republican Party is inherently problematic in many ways, but they aren’t Nazis. Let’s jot go down that road. I’m also disappointed that you think I’m ignoring the abhorrent work that the Trump administration has done - in fact it’s quite the opposite. I’m highly critical of Trump and the divisive atmosphere that he has fostered and furthered both within Washington and in the wider United States. His media campaigns and relationship with the press are my specialist areas, and I’m researching and working(very slowly) on a book* that’ll hopefully shine a light into just how badly Trump has messed the country up. I’d kindly ask you not to jump to conclusions about me when you make a post, Photek. I don’t think I’ve done that to you.

And for what it’s worth, I am not in any way a Republican sympathiser. I find a lot of the party views to be quite the antithesis of my own personal beliefs but I also believe that it’s the duty of every individual who is involved in politics** to educate themselves on the finer points of each of the major political schools of thought and different viewpoints. You can’t learn anything or form a valid opinion without first understanding how both sides think.

Further to this, demonising an entire political class of people leads to resentment. It leads to sloganising on both sides, to propaganda, to lines in the sand and ultimately it leads to Donald Trump, Brexit, division and an irreparable division that needn’t have occurred. It was the demonisation of a country full of people that literally led to the rise of the Nazi party, and there are so, so many historical precedents as to how harmful making crass generalisations can be. A lot of times in this thread people make blanket statements because of, for example, something Mike Pence has said or done, and that basically equates to “Pence is a dick, and therefore all Republicans are dicks and Nazis.” Which is wrong, and contributes to the cycle of hate which is tearing both America and the UK up in recent times.*** We’re better than that on here I think, but all I’m saying really is that it’s easy to get caught up in justifications and condemnations and anger And risk perpetuating it all for the next generation. Take a step back, condemn the people who deserve to be condemned, and don’t tar everyone with the same brush I think.

On a final note, It’s absolutely tragic to me that neither democrats nor republicans seem to be able to work in a bipartisan manner in the way that they could fifty or sixty years ago - bipartisanship led to the New Deal, the Great Society and so much good in American society.

*I just need a publisher. :lol:

**Everyone. Everyone should educate themselves.

***I can’t reiterate hard enough just how abhorrent I find Mike Pence’s politics, by the way. I’d really appreciate not being told what I am ignoring, because I assure you that I’m not.


Excellent post

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Peter Crisp » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:42 am

What I don't understand about Republicans and the supporters is they take an issue like having rules about minimum holiday entitlement being enshrined in law and act as if it will mean everyone in the US will instantly become unemployed.
It's like they look at the rest of the world who has that rule and somehow manage to come to the conclusion that it won't work in the USA because the US is somehow special.

It's really odd to see people try and argue against such a simple rule that helps everyone and tries to stop people being exploited especially when they they call you a socialist who somehow hates America.
I certainly don't hate them but I do find they way they argue against policies that are directly helpful to themselves out of some odd love of business really fascinating. How can something like maternity leave being mandatory be a bad thing but apparently it is and wanting it somehow makes me the bad guy :? .

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Photek » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:47 am

Corazon de Leon wrote:I get that, I really do. It’s natural and understandable, especially when you’ve got kids yourself because you empathise with the situation. I think you’re a good dude, Photek, and obviously passionate about what you believe.

Sometimes my posts can get a bit longwinded talking about American politics, it’s probably the dissertations talking at this point. The point I’m making is that the biggest problem the US has is that both sides are becoming too entrenched in their views - nobody wants to talk to one another. We hate them, they hate us, everybody hates everybody else at the moment and everything is so polarised. I don’t want to perpetuate that, is all.

You know I love ya Cora man, and I see your point but we just look at things differently and I know my opinion is based mostly in emotion but I'm not going to change my mind until they change.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Hesk » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:05 pm

"I know there are flaws in my viewpoints but I won't change them despite your valid arguments" sounds awfully like the issue you have with Republicans and their unwillingness to examine their own beliefs in the face logic and evidence.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Photek » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:07 pm

Heskimo wrote:"I know there are flaws in my viewpoints but I won't change them despite your valid arguments" sounds awfully like the issue you have with Republicans and their unwillingness to examine their own beliefs in the face logic and evidence.

I've shown logic and evidence why I have my opinion though.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Hexx » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:11 pm

‘My feelings are as important as your facts’


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