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by Monkey Man » Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:44 pm

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by Cuttooth » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:42 pm

FiveThirtyEight's Democratic election forecast currently has Sanders most likely to win all but four races for the nomination. Unlikely to get the majority of delegates before the convention though.

It would be an utterly idiotic move for the DNC to push for any other candidate in that situation, so I wouldn’t be surprised if it happened.

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by Alvin Flummux » Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:59 pm

Democratic debate tonight. Here's hoping Bloomberg gets annihilated.

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by Lex-Man » Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:11 pm

Cuttooth wrote:FiveThirtyEight's Democratic election forecast currently has Sanders most likely to win all but four races for the nomination. Unlikely to get the majority of delegates before the convention though.

It would be an utterly idiotic move for the DNC to push for any other candidate in that situation, so I wouldn’t be surprised if it happened.


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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Preezy » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:12 am

As much as I would love Sanders to win, he is the ideal candidate for Trump to run against. Trump would love to run against him and use the classic "he's a socialist" scare tactics which his base and wavering centrists would eat up, whereas running against Bloomberg would be more difficult, as he's basically a diet Republican.

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by Alvin Flummux » Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:01 pm

Diet? He's full throated Republican. He's a bigot, a misogynist, a racist, thoroughly corrupt. Four years of Bloomberg is basically Trump's second term.

The ascendant progressive wing of the Democratic party won't turn out for him on election day. He's Trump's ticket to a second term.

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by Harry Ola » Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:34 pm

Bloomberg or Sanders would be disastrous for the Dems. Bloomberg because he's Trump, but with less charisma and more money. Sanders because there's too much oppo research stuff ready to destroy him.

Basically the Dem centre lane needs to decide quickly who they want on the ticket. Out of Amy, Pete and Joe, 2 of them need to form a ticket and the other one get out of the way.

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by Moggy » Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:40 pm

Harry Ola wrote:Bloomberg or Sanders would be disastrous for the Dems. Bloomberg because he's Trump, but with less charisma and more money. Sanders because there's too much oppo research stuff ready to destroy him.

Basically the Dem centre lane needs to decide quickly who they want on the ticket. Out of Amy, Pete and Joe, 2 of them need to form a ticket and the other one get out of the way.


They are all disastrous in their own way. Even people like Sanders (who would be great for the country) are going to be a disaster as the US will go into full “red scare” mode if he gets the nomination.

But even the massively unpopular Hilary Clinton got 3 million more votes than Trump. There’s hope that with a less hated candidate the Dems can beat Trump. But I also wouldn’t be surprised if the orange goon managed to win again.

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by BID0 » Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:57 pm

Preezy wrote:As much as I would love Sanders to win, he is the ideal candidate for Trump to run against. Trump would love to run against him and use the classic "he's a socialist" scare tactics which his base and wavering centrists would eat up, whereas running against Bloomberg would be more difficult, as he's basically a diet Republican.

It must have been around this time last year Bernie did a FOX news town hall in republican safe territory and he had the audience eating out of the palm of his hand. There's a lot of overlap with what Trump's America first/drain the swamp narrative that those people voted for. Those people won't be voting for Bloomberg.

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by Memento Mori » Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:31 pm

BID0 wrote:
Preezy wrote:As much as I would love Sanders to win, he is the ideal candidate for Trump to run against. Trump would love to run against him and use the classic "he's a socialist" scare tactics which his base and wavering centrists would eat up, whereas running against Bloomberg would be more difficult, as he's basically a diet Republican.

It must have been around this time last year Bernie did a FOX news town hall in republican safe territory and he had the audience eating out of the palm of his hand. There's a lot of overlap with what Trump's America first/drain the swamp narrative that those people voted for. Those people won't be voting for Bloomberg.

Is there a lot of overlap or did Bernie's campaign just get a load of his supporters to attend that town hall?

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by Monkey Man » Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:48 pm

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by Moggy » Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:54 pm

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by Squinty » Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:43 pm

Moggy wrote:
Monkey Man wrote:

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by Meep » Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:01 pm

There is tremendous upside to Sanders winning and very little downside. Even if he did not win the presidential election, so what? There is going to be little material difference in the long term between another Trump victory and an establishment Democrat victory. Either way it would be the continuation of oligarchical corporate interests for the next decade or so. On the other hand, he might very well win the presidency, in which case thousands of lives are saved through the provision of universal healthcare and, a long overdue offensive against corruption within US politics and an end to western imperialist ventures overseas.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Moggy » Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:16 pm

Meep wrote:There is tremendous upside to Sanders winning and very little downside. Even if he did not win the presidential election, so what? There is going to be little material difference in the long term between another Trump victory and an establishment Democrat victory. Either way it would be the continuation of oligarchical corporate interests for the next decade or so. On the other hand, he might very well win the presidency, in which case thousands of lives are saved through the provision of universal healthcare and, a long overdue offensive against corruption within US politics and an end to western imperialist ventures overseas.


There’s a huge difference between Trump and an establishment Democrat.

This idea lately that the hard/far right are as bad as the centre is bizarre. And really strawberry floating dangerous.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Rex Kramer » Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:19 pm

Sanders isnt winning a presidential election. He's far to easy to paint as the socialist bogeyman who is there too steal all good, hard working American's dollars.

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by Alvin Flummux » Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:34 pm

Funny, because he's leading almost every poll and beating Trump in most too.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Moggy » Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:44 pm

Alvin Flummux wrote:Funny, because he's leading almost every poll and beating Trump in most too.

twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/1230358516516311040



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It is a great clip, Bloomberg :lol:

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by OrangeRKN » Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:17 pm

Exactly the same arguments were made against sanders last time. He's the best candidate, who galvanises the most impassioned support, and he stands a good chance

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by Rex Kramer » Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:24 pm

I'd like to see it happen but I don't see a country that, as a baseline, sits further right than the UK electing someone who is probably more left wing than the bloke we roundly rejected. Now, there's a large element of Corbyn's personality influencing that vote but even so, I generally see Americans being influenced by the dream of being a billionaire more than the reality of never getting close.


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