US Politics 2

Prototype wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Prototype wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Prototype wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Prototype wrote:

...and people wonder how he got in?

You think people get elected because some celebrities and politicians didn't think they'd win?

Well yeah, that and the then president saying he had no chance.

You genuinely think that's why Trump won?

Obviously not the sole reason, but if you think about how many people see these shows?

Do you think it helped Hillary's cause? Because it didn't.

She got 3 million more votes, so it might have helped.

Personally I don't think it makes much difference at all. It's hilarious though that you imagine tens of millions of people voting Trump while muttering "this is John Oliver's fault, I loved Clinton but that limey bastard told a joke about poor old Donald".

Wasn't so much of a joke as him flat out daring Trump to run.

Reap what you sow etc, etc.

I think it's more to do with the fact that everyone wanted a piece of the "lol Trump" pie, creating mass brand recognition and free marketing for him. So yes, I think you have a point here, Prototype in that all these shows contributed to his win, but it's not because they were making fun of him, it's more that they were plastering his name everywhere.

Making a bold play for the two most important swing states:

twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1315632997601771520

twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1315633237667057666

I don't what he's doing.

Prototype wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Prototype wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Prototype wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Prototype wrote:

...and people wonder how he got in?

You think people get elected because some celebrities and politicians didn't think they'd win?

Well yeah, that and the then president saying he had no chance.

You genuinely think that's why Trump won?

Obviously not the sole reason, but if you think about how many people see these shows?

Do you think it helped Hillary's cause? Because it didn't.

She got 3 million more votes, so it might have helped.

Personally I don't think it makes much difference at all. It's hilarious though that you imagine tens of millions of people voting Trump while muttering "this is John Oliver's fault, I loved Clinton but that limey bastard told a joke about poor old Donald".

Wasn't so much of a joke as him flat out daring Trump to run.

Reap what you sow etc, etc.

Again, you really think John Oliver making a joke (because it was a joke) urging Trump to run, after Trump hinted he was running, made Trump decide to become President?

You put way too much faith in the power of celebrities.

Prototype wrote:People do not like being told what to do.

They should probably stop voting for authoritarians then

aayl1 wrote:

Prototype wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Prototype wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Prototype wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Prototype wrote:

...and people wonder how he got in?

You think people get elected because some celebrities and politicians didn't think they'd win?

Well yeah, that and the then president saying he had no chance.

You genuinely think that's why Trump won?

Obviously not the sole reason, but if you think about how many people see these shows?

Do you think it helped Hillary's cause? Because it didn't.

She got 3 million more votes, so it might have helped.

Personally I don't think it makes much difference at all. It's hilarious though that you imagine tens of millions of people voting Trump while muttering "this is John Oliver's fault, I loved Clinton but that limey bastard told a joke about poor old Donald".

Wasn't so much of a joke as him flat out daring Trump to run.

Reap what you sow etc, etc.

I think it's more to do with the fact that everyone wanted a piece of the "lol Trump" pie, creating mass brand recognition and free marketing for him. So yes, I think you have a point here, Prototype in that all these shows contributed to his win, but it's not because they were making fun of him, it's more that they were plastering his name everywhere.

You can call me Ian, Aaron.

Thank you for explaining this better than I could.

And please don't think for a second I wanted Trump voted in. i just hope these people learn from the mistakes made the first time around. In some degree, I think you could apply my thinking to Brexit as well.

aayl1 wrote:

Prototype wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Prototype wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Prototype wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Prototype wrote:

...and people wonder how he got in?

You think people get elected because some celebrities and politicians didn't think they'd win?

Well yeah, that and the then president saying he had no chance.

You genuinely think that's why Trump won?

Obviously not the sole reason, but if you think about how many people see these shows?

Do you think it helped Hillary's cause? Because it didn't.

She got 3 million more votes, so it might have helped.

Personally I don't think it makes much difference at all. It's hilarious though that you imagine tens of millions of people voting Trump while muttering "this is John Oliver's fault, I loved Clinton but that limey bastard told a joke about poor old Donald".

Wasn't so much of a joke as him flat out daring Trump to run.

Reap what you sow etc, etc.

I think it's more to do with the fact that everyone wanted a piece of the "lol Trump" pie, creating mass brand recognition and free marketing for him. So yes, I think you have a point here, Prototype in that all these shows contributed to his win, but it's not because they were making fun of him, it's more that they were plastering his name everywhere.

It also helped his narrative that he was different to the current politicians and was going to "drain the swamp" in Washington.

Tomous wrote:To be fair, I'm pretty sure the only reason Trump ran in the first place was because Obama made some jokes at his expense.

That's probably closer to the truth than the idea of celebrities influencing the decision. Trump hated Obama and Obama mocked him to his face.

But that was 2011, Trump didn't run against Obama. It's not exactly revenge to run against somebody else.

Trump has ran for President before and has heavily hinted at running for decades.

https://www.tvguide.com/news/donald-tru ... -timeline/

He's an egomaniac that was always attracted to the idea of an entire country wanting him in charge.

Unfortunately Moggy I think pointing out the obviously flawed logic in voting for Trump to "get back" at celebrities or Obama or whoever doesn't lead us to the conclusion that it can't be a factor, more to an exasperated "I know" because it's really stupid and yet probably was a factor anyway

Prototype wrote:

aayl1 wrote:

Prototype wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Prototype wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Prototype wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Prototype wrote:

...and people wonder how he got in?

You think people get elected because some celebrities and politicians didn't think they'd win?

Well yeah, that and the then president saying he had no chance.

You genuinely think that's why Trump won?

Obviously not the sole reason, but if you think about how many people see these shows?

Do you think it helped Hillary's cause? Because it didn't.

She got 3 million more votes, so it might have helped.

Personally I don't think it makes much difference at all. It's hilarious though that you imagine tens of millions of people voting Trump while muttering "this is John Oliver's fault, I loved Clinton but that limey bastard told a joke about poor old Donald".

Wasn't so much of a joke as him flat out daring Trump to run.

Reap what you sow etc, etc.

I think it's more to do with the fact that everyone wanted a piece of the "lol Trump" pie, creating mass brand recognition and free marketing for him. So yes, I think you have a point here, Prototype in that all these shows contributed to his win, but it's not because they were making fun of him, it's more that they were plastering his name everywhere.

You can call me Ian, Aaron.

Thank you for explaining this better than I could.

Haha I did it without thinking and didn't want to doxx you without permission.

And no worries, I could see what you were getting at and totally didn't want trump in. And yep, totally applies to Brexit too. Re: Tomous' point about helping the narrative that "it's a new, different choice" - the Remain campaign totally played into the hands of that.

Moggy wrote:

Tomous wrote:To be fair, I'm pretty sure the only reason Trump ran in the first place was because Obama made some jokes at his expense.

That's probably closer to the truth than the idea of celebrities influencing the decision. Trump hated Obama and Obama mocked him to his face.

But that was 2011, Trump didn't run against Obama. It's not exactly revenge to run against somebody else.

Trump has ran for President before and has heavily hinted at running for decades.

https://www.tvguide.com/news/donald-tru ... -timeline/

He's an egomaniac that was always attracted to the idea of an entire country wanting him in charge.

He's just spent 4 years undoing everything he possibly can that Obama did...

OrangeRKN wrote:Unfortunately Moggy I think pointing out the obviously flawed logic in voting for Trump to "get back" at celebrities or Obama or whoever doesn't lead us to the conclusion that it can't be a factor, more to an exasperated "I know" because it's really stupid and yet probably was a factor anyway

There's no logic there, I agree.

But I don't think it was much of a factor, if any. People voted Trump for all sorts of (flawed) reasons. They thought he'd drain the swamp, they hated Clinton, they were dazzled by his "celebrity", they thought he'd bring back jobs, they were Republican die hards, they hated Mexicans, they thought he was different etc etc

The "celebrities tell me not to vote for him" is just not a significant answer to why Trump became President. That's the sort of answer people use when celebrities annoy them, it's not really a thing at the voting booth.

Tomous wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Tomous wrote:To be fair, I'm pretty sure the only reason Trump ran in the first place was because Obama made some jokes at his expense.

That's probably closer to the truth than the idea of celebrities influencing the decision. Trump hated Obama and Obama mocked him to his face.

But that was 2011, Trump didn't run against Obama. It's not exactly revenge to run against somebody else.

Trump has ran for President before and has heavily hinted at running for decades.

https://www.tvguide.com/news/donald-tru ... -timeline/

He's an egomaniac that was always attracted to the idea of an entire country wanting him in charge.

He's just spent 4 years undoing everything he possibly can that Obama did...

If Trump had won in 2000, he'd have undone everything Clinton did. If he won in 2008 he'd have undone everything Bush did.

Trumps a wrecker, not a builder. Unless we count hideous gold towers as building.

The Republican Party also hated everything about Obama. It's too simplistic to say "that one night in 2011 caused all of this".

But I do also agree it was a slight factor. Those Obama jokes still probably burn Trump to this day.

Tomous wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Tomous wrote:To be fair, I'm pretty sure the only reason Trump ran in the first place was because Obama made some jokes at his expense.

That's probably closer to the truth than the idea of celebrities influencing the decision. Trump hated Obama and Obama mocked him to his face.

But that was 2011, Trump didn't run against Obama. It's not exactly revenge to run against somebody else.

Trump has ran for President before and has heavily hinted at running for decades.

https://www.tvguide.com/news/donald-tru ... -timeline/

He's an egomaniac that was always attracted to the idea of an entire country wanting him in charge.

He's just spent 4 years undoing everything he possibly can that Obama did...

I'm convinced if Obama had instigated tax exemption for anyone called Donald then he'd have repealed it. But then I guess he wasn't paying any in the first place so it wouldn't have made much difference.

Moggy wrote:

Tomous wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Tomous wrote:To be fair, I'm pretty sure the only reason Trump ran in the first place was because Obama made some jokes at his expense.

That's probably closer to the truth than the idea of celebrities influencing the decision. Trump hated Obama and Obama mocked him to his face.

But that was 2011, Trump didn't run against Obama. It's not exactly revenge to run against somebody else.

Trump has ran for President before and has heavily hinted at running for decades.

https://www.tvguide.com/news/donald-tru ... -timeline/

He's an egomaniac that was always attracted to the idea of an entire country wanting him in charge.

He's just spent 4 years undoing everything he possibly can that Obama did...

If Trump had won in 2000, he'd have undone everything Clinton did. If he won in 2008 he'd have undone everything Bush did.

Trumps a wrecker, not a builder. Unless we count hideous gold towers as building.

The Republican Party also hated everything about Obama. It's too simplistic to say "that one night in 2011 caused all of this".

But I do also agree it was a slight factor. Those Obama jokes still probably burn Trump to this day.

Oh I agree, I wasn't being serious. Trump's main motivation was his ego and his desire to exploit the position.

I still believe that Trump's primary goal in running for President was not in fact becoming President, but to promote himself and his brand on a stage which the the entire world has eyeballs on.

He absolutely hates doing the actual day to day President part. And he barely does it.

Didn't he destroy some of his brands while running for president, though.

He's always destroying his businesses though.

I'm guessing the NYT article was posted a few days ago when it was published but this gives a clear view of what being President means to him: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... swamp.html

Lex-Man wrote:Didn't he destroy some of his brands while running for president, though.

He's not very smart.

SCOTUS hearing is Democrats pointing out the obvious corrupt intent and blatant hypocrisy of the GOP's judicial nomination, and Republicans trying to lecture on process and hiding from the obvious.