US Politics 2

I have to be honest, as popular as it is the blanket view of “Republicans are head cases” isn’t actually true and wildly over-simplifies the complexity of the American political spectrum. There are plenty of moderate Republicans who are absolutely horrified by the way the last few years have gone in the States, and more still who identify with core Republican values who have left the party over the course of the last few decades as the rise of partisan politics in the United States has become more obvious.

It’s a very interesting situation that the US finds itself in. Somebody should do a study...

Corazon de Leon wrote:I have to be honest, as popular as it is the blanket view of “Republicans are head cases” isn’t actually true and wildly over-simplifies the complexity of the American political spectrum. There are plenty of moderate Republicans who are absolutely horrified by the way the last few years have gone in the States, and more still who identify with core Republican values who have left the party over the course of the last few decades as the rise of partisan politics in the United States has become more obvious.

It’s a very interesting situation that the US finds itself in. Somebody should do a study...

While I 100% agree with you the main problem they have is Fox News who only seem interested in the most extreme conservatives. The sort who will call others RINO's for being at all moderate.
They have people like Jeanine Pirro who's seemingly always super furious about everything and wants you to know just how wrong you are for thinking any way than she does. Being moderate doesn't get viewers.

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40% approval rating isn’t actually as bad as it seems, loads of presidents have ended up with that at some stage of their time in office. Trump has also flirted with approval ratings in the 30s over the past two years as well so again, it’s not actually as bad as it seems.

There’s a dynamically updating poll somewhere which shows the fluctuations in his approval and takes into account several major polling companies such as Ipsos, Gallup, Harris and even YouGov I think.

EDIT: Should’ve clicked the link before I posted, the five thirty eight site is exactly what I’m thinking about.

Laura Loomer, last seen handcuffing herself to Twitter HQ, tries to break into Nancy Pelosi's house, 3rd in line to the Presidency.

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He is the very epitome of the poor man's idea of a rich man.

MUELLER DRAFT REPORT SAYS TRUMP 'HELPED PUTIN DESTABILIZE THE UNITED STATES', WATERGATE JOURNALIST SAYS

“This is about the most serious counterintelligence people we have in the U.S. government saying, ‘Oh, my God, the president’s words and actions lead us to conclude that somehow he has become a witting, unwitting, or half-witting pawn, certainly in some regards, to Vladimir Putin,'” Bernstein explained during his appearance on Reliable Sources .

“From a point of view of strength… rather, he has done what appears to be Putin’s goals. He has helped Putin destabilize the United States and interfere in the election, no matter whether it was purposeful or not,” the journalist added. He then explained that he knew from his own high-level sources that Mueller’s report would discuss this assessment.

“And that is part of what the draft of Mueller’s report, I’m told, is to be about,” he said. “We know there has been collusion by [former national security adviser Michael] Flynn. We know there has been collusion of some sort by [Trump’s former campaign chairman Paul] Manafort. The question is, yes, what did the president know and when did he know it?”

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It is vital that US intelligence agencies get a hold of the translators who were present for the Trump-Putin meetings. I think that it is these individuals who will be key to definitively answering that last question.

The above tweets though just reinforce his position amongst supporters that he's fighting against the snobbish, liberal elite.

Alvin Flummux wrote:He is the very epitome of the poor man's idea of a rich man.

Look how big the Oval Office is, I can put ALL of my gunracks up in here and still have room for my La-Z-Boy!

Knowing how quickly that lot gets cold I would genuinely go for the salad. And I'd stuff a few of the dips and sauces in my pocket. Not often you get the opportunity to abscond with some free garlic and 'erb dip, bruv.

Rex Kramer wrote:The above tweets though just reinforce his position amongst supporters that he's fighting against the snobbish, liberal elite.

He's only fighting against the snobbish, liberal elite because he tried to get in with them for decades and they never let him be in their clique, thinking him far too boorish and tawdry and from Queens for their Manhattan sensibilities. He still desperately wants to be in with them, but they still don't want him, and he hates them as a result. He despises his own poor base of support, which he plays to daily, yet he clings to it as fast as a limpet to a ship's hull because he craves adulation so badly.

But yes, Trump doing a bunch of McDonald's will play to his poor white base like Nigel Farage smoking and drinking plays to his gammony base. It doesn't matter that it cheapens the presidency further, so long as Billybob and Crystal Mae in the backwoods of Kentucky see it and think, "Now that thurr is a man of the people, a man I can vote fer."

Yep, it's almost tragic to see people who Trump would never willingly associate with (He'd have them arrested if they dared enter one of his houses) claim he's some sort of man of the people who understands them.
Trump has never had to consider money or work ever and the way he dismisses the plight of the people who're not being paid because of the shutdown should reinforce that but it simply doesn't as many also don't give a gooseberry fool about those people.
Trump has spent his entire life treating people like his core supporters like dirt and not paying them for the work they've done for him but somehow for a few in the US self promotion and managing to con people is great and makes him a worthy President.

I would honestly hope that any politician in the UK would be toast if they did something like the con job that was Trump University.

INSTEAD OF SALAD I ORDERED MCDONALDS GO ME!

Peter Crisp wrote:Yep, it's almost tragic to see people who Trump would never willingly associate with (He'd have them arrested if they dared enter one of his houses) claim he's some sort of man of the people who understands them.
Trump has never had to consider money or work ever and the way he dismisses the plight of the people who're not being paid because of the shutdown should reinforce that but it simply doesn't as many also don't give a gooseberry fool about those people.
Trump has spent his entire life treating people like his core supporters like dirt and not paying them for the work they've done for him but somehow for a few in the US self promotion and managing to con people is great and makes him a worthy President.

I would honestly hope that any politician in the UK would be toast if they did something like the con job that was Trump University.

Boris Johnson comes across pretty similarly to me

Peter Crisp wrote:I would honestly hope that any politician in the UK would be toast if they did something like the con job that was Trump University.

Are you telling me that my Diploma in International Relations from the Boris Johnson Online College of Excellence (Toffs only, no Pickaninnies) is worthless?

That's £25k down the toilet

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Peter Crisp wrote:I would honestly hope that any politician in the UK would be toast if they did something like the con job that was Trump University.

Are you telling me that my Diploma in International Relations from the Boris Johnson Online College of Excellence (Toffs only, no Pickaninnies) is worthless?

That's £25k down the toilet

Obviously not as that's a solid, grade A British College.
It has history and panache that a US institution could never achieve.
I assume you're being fast tracked to be a future UN Secretary General?

Peter Crisp wrote:

Preezy wrote:

Peter Crisp wrote:I would honestly hope that any politician in the UK would be toast if they did something like the con job that was Trump University.

Are you telling me that my Diploma in International Relations from the Boris Johnson Online College of Excellence (Toffs only, no Pickaninnies) is worthless?

That's £25k down the toilet

Obviously not as that's a solid, grade A British College.
It has history and panache that a US institution could never achieve.
I assume you're being fast tracked to be a future UN Secretary General?

Well I was bald when I started the course, but now that I passed with distinction I've started growing wild blonde hair, it's brilliant!

I've also got fat and stupid though

OrangeRKN wrote:Boris Johnson comes across pretty similarly to me

While I'm not a fan of Boris I wouldn't put him in the same category at all.
Trump is an old fashioned, screw you entrepreneur who has zero empathy for those he employs and thinks profit (mainly his profit) is the only reason people are alive. He'd rather shut a company down than have to pay maternity leave and somehow some people back him.
It's fascinating to me to see so many Americans actively voting and canvasing for worse working conditions just so the already ultra rich can get more money on the theory that if we give them enough they're bound to eventually spend some or employ people.

Those same people hate the idea of royalty but what they are creating is a class of ultra rich who make any historical royal look like a pauper.

Peter Crisp wrote:

OrangeRKN wrote:Boris Johnson comes across pretty similarly to me

While I'm not a fan of Boris I wouldn't put him in the same category at all.

The comparison I was making was in how they garner support from a working class who think they understand and represent them, when all evidence shows the contrary

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