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by Corazon de Leon » Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:36 am

Moggy wrote:

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Really strong work. :lol:

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by Victor Mildew » Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:17 pm

:lol: brilliant

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by The Watching Artist » Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:56 pm

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by captain red dog » Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:56 pm

I know the whole Kavanagh thing ultimately went nowhere, but how did the Dems get that hearing about all the allegations? Was that part of normal proceedings, or could they do a similar thing to try and delay this appointment? I'm not suggesting accusing anyone of assault or anything, but if they could find a reason for some kind of hearing, couldn't they delay Trumps appointment?

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Peter Crisp » Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:50 pm

This is what it'll be like when they have to get Trump ready for prison.


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by Tafdolphin » Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:42 am

Literally everyone: Dems need to go nuclear on this, pull out every stop they have to halt this massively hypocritical move that threatens the rule of law in America for the next several decades

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by Rex Kramer » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:51 am

On both sides of the Atlantic there is too many instances where politicians work on assumed conventions. We've seen in the last 4 years that both Trump and Johnson are willing to ignore centuries of 'how things are supposed to be done' to push through things that otherwise wouldn't have been allowed. The question for the Dems though is whether opposing this hard would strawberry float up their presidency chances or even whether not opposing it does the same thing.

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by Alvin Flummux » Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:07 pm

Sometimes I think Pelosi is alright, and sometimes I wish she'd take a long walk off a short pier. More often than not it's the latter.

Either way, I don't think following convention and being civil in the face of fascism is a particularly good strategy. It's like she's politely walking into the gas chamber so as not to cause a fuss.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Captain Kinopio » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:21 pm

Alvin Flummux wrote:Sometimes I think Pelosi is alright, and sometimes I wish she'd take a long walk off a short pier. More often than not it's the latter.

Either way, I don't think following convention and being civil in the face of fascism is a particularly good strategy. It's like she's politely walking into the gas chamber so as not to cause a fuss.


This seems to be the attitude they’re meandering into the election with. It seems increasingly certain to me that Trump will get a second term even probably with a much bigger popular vote defeat.

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by Moggy » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:26 pm

Captain Kinopio wrote:It seems increasingly certain to me that Trump will get a second term even probably with a much bigger popular vote defeat.


It's possible but it looks unlikely that Trump will get another term.

https://ig.ft.com/us-election-2020/

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by Victor Mildew » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:32 pm

Moggy wrote:
Captain Kinopio wrote:It seems increasingly certain to me that Trump will get a second term even probably with a much bigger popular vote defeat.


It's possible but it looks unlikely that Trump will get another term.

https://ig.ft.com/us-election-2020/


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PostRe: US Politics 2
by DML » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:35 pm

Captain Kinopio wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:Sometimes I think Pelosi is alright, and sometimes I wish she'd take a long walk off a short pier. More often than not it's the latter.

Either way, I don't think following convention and being civil in the face of fascism is a particularly good strategy. It's like she's politely walking into the gas chamber so as not to cause a fuss.


This seems to be the attitude they’re meandering into the election with. It seems increasingly certain to me that Trump will get a second term even probably with a much bigger popular vote defeat.


You are massively underestimating Biden's popularity compared to Hillary Clinton.

Stop listening to Twitter and online posts, Trump basically has to hold all his states to win, and he has many states under attack.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Memento Mori » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:36 pm

Oh it's unlikely Trump can legitimately win the election at this point. There are several ways he could rig it though.

Here's one of them:

twitter.com/atrupar/status/1308853788862828544


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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Alvin Flummux » Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:17 pm

Captain Kinopio wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:Sometimes I think Pelosi is alright, and sometimes I wish she'd take a long walk off a short pier. More often than not it's the latter.

Either way, I don't think following convention and being civil in the face of fascism is a particularly good strategy. It's like she's politely walking into the gas chamber so as not to cause a fuss.


This seems to be the attitude they’re meandering into the election with. It seems increasingly certain to me that Trump will get a second term even probably with a much bigger popular vote defeat.


The Trump campaign is reportedly 'discussing contingency plans to bypass election results'

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September 23, 2020, 11:31 am

President Trump's campaign is discussing "contingency plans" that would involve bypassing the result of November's election, reports The Atlantic.

The report delves into possible scenarios if Trump apparently loses the 2020 presidential election but doesn't concede, noting that although we're used to electors being selected based on the popular vote, "nothing in the Constitution says it has to be that way." Citing Republican Party sources, The Atlantic says that Trump's campaign is "discussing contingency plans to bypass election results and appoint loyal electors in battleground states where Republicans hold the legislative majority."

The campaign would reportedly assert that this step was necessary due to claims of supposed voter fraud, which experts have noted is extraordinarily rare, ahead of the "safe harbor" deadline to appoint 538 electors on Dec. 8.

"Trump would ask state legislators to set aside the popular vote and exercise their power to choose a slate of electors directly," The Atlantic reports. "The longer Trump succeeds in keeping the vote count in doubt, the more pressure legislators will feel to act before the safe-harbor deadline expires."

A Trump campaign legal adviser who spoke to The Atlantic said that in this scenario, "the state legislatures will say, 'All right, we've been given this constitutional power. We don't think the results of our own state are accurate, so here's our slate of electors that we think properly reflect the results of our state." Lawrence Tabas, chair of the Pennsylvania Republican Party, also told The Atlantic he has discussed the direct appointment of electors with the Trump campaign, saying, "I've mentioned it to them, and I hope they're thinking about it too." The Trump campaign said it is "fighting for a free and fair election."

This potential scenario is just one part of the broader piece in which experts warn "conditions are ripe for a constitutional crisis." Read more at The Atlantic.


Sources: Yahoo, The Atlantic

If this gambit is tried and fails, it'll probably lead, I would hope, to the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact being reenergized to the degree that the Electoral College finally gets abolished.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Moggy » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:07 am

Memento Mori wrote:Oh it's unlikely Trump can legitimately win the election at this point. There are several ways he could rig it though.


That's true.

I think he's guaranteed to lose the popular vote.

He's likely to lose at the electoral college.

But I don't see him going quietly. He'll use anything to hold onto the Presidency and it's possible he'll succeed.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Tomous » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:57 am

I can't imagine the riots if he loses and tries not to go or he wins in dodgy circumstances.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Lex-Man » Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:06 am

Trump has already done significant damage to the US political system. If he takes the election result to court, even if he loses, it'll do a lot of damage to the US as a lot of people will think that the deep state or whatever have got him. Trump for Trump's sake needs to win this election at any cost because there is no way he won't end up in jail if he loses.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Tafdolphin » Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:13 am

Tomous wrote:I can't imagine the riots if he loses and tries not to go or he wins in dodgy circumstances.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Moggy » Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:14 am

What's hilarious is that I still don't think he wants the job and he also strawberry floating hates having to do it.

But his ego just can't handle losing.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Peter Crisp » Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:20 am

He needs to lose in historic fashion so any moaning he does is made to look bloody stupid.
He'll obviously moan anyway and try and drag it through the courts but if he's losing in his stronghold states then it'll be pretty much impossible to claim some sort of US wide election rigging.

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