US Politics 2

And he said they were turning a corner

Squinty wrote:And he said they were turning a corner

Technically they did.

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A real "let them fight" scenario. The Lincoln Project is run by former Bush associates/groupies so strawberry float them but also...the Trumps.

Tafdolphin wrote:A real "let them fight" scenario. The Lincoln Project is run by former Bush associates/groupies so strawberry float them but also...the Trumps.

Common enemy until Nov 4th and they're doing great work, doing the dirty stuff that the Dems aren't.

Wish there was a Tory version over here.

Tomous wrote:

Tafdolphin wrote:A real "let them fight" scenario. The Lincoln Project is run by former Bush associates/groupies so strawberry float them but also...the Trumps.

Common enemy until Nov 4th and they're doing great work, doing the dirty stuff that the Dems aren't.

Yep.

The right are very very good at playing divide and rule against left wing groups. It's time to be quiet about groups like the Lincoln Project and let them undermine Trump on the right.

Be pretty awesome if left-wing political groups in the US would learn how to be as devious as the right has been.

There's rumors that Trump is running out of money to fight lawsuits so if I was the Lincoln Project I wouldn't be that worried.

He’s got 60 million people utterly brain washed.

Something tells me he wont be short of cash for the rest of his life.

Tomous wrote:

Tafdolphin wrote:A real "let them fight" scenario. The Lincoln Project is run by former Bush associates/groupies so strawberry float them but also...the Trumps.

Common enemy until Nov 4th and they're doing great work, doing the dirty stuff that the Dems aren't.

Republicans actually have a real political movement, evil as it may be. This cannot be said of the Democrats which is why they are rubbish at campaigning.

Meep wrote:

Tomous wrote:

Tafdolphin wrote:A real "let them fight" scenario. The Lincoln Project is run by former Bush associates/groupies so strawberry float them but also...the Trumps.

Common enemy until Nov 4th and they're doing great work, doing the dirty stuff that the Dems aren't.

Republicans actually have a real political movement, evil as it may be. This cannot be said of the Democrats which is why they are rubbish at campaigning.

I'm not sure that's true. The Republicans are only loosely held together and only really agree on paying less tax and being mean to minorities.

What they do well is banding together to fight the left. A pro-life Christian can support Trump because it keeps somebody like Clinton out of power.

The trouble with the left is they just can't stick together and fight each other more than the other side. The whole centrist/liberal v left/socialist arguments consistently strawberry float up the chance of defeating the actual enemy. "Oh I couldn't vote for Bernie!" or "Oh Bernie didn't win so I'm not voting" stuff is amazingly self-destructive.

Moggy wrote:The trouble with the left is they just can't stick together and fight each other more than the other side. The whole centrist/liberal v left/socialist arguments consistently strawberry float up the chance of defeating the actual enemy. "Oh I couldn't vote for Bernie!" or "Oh Bernie didn't win so I'm not voting" stuff is amazingly self-destructive.

You seem to say this every other week but I'm not certain it even holds true with the United States. The membership of the Democratic Socialists of America has only really grown after the failure of the centre-right to defeat Trump in 2016. Left-wing movements simply hadn't been powerful enough pre-recession to be able to dramatically shift the policies of establishment/moderate Democrats. American progressive voters will, on the whole, have been voting Democrat against Republican their whole lives, I don't think it's fair to suggest the electoral failures of the Democrat party over the years are equally down to them.

The main issue with the Democratic party is that most of them are essentially paid to do nothing. Corporate money thrown at candidates is sent that way in the understanding that without the Democrats in contention it would leave the door wide open to a left wing movement. The last thing they want is someone like Sanders waltzing into the Whitehouse and upsetting the apple cart. The business model of the DNC is basically sitting on your ass and blocking serious reform and get paid for doing so.
They have their voters by the balls because all they have to do earn support is be marginally better than the Republicans. Fortunately there are new, mostly younger members of the party who are not like this but they are in the minority.

Cuttooth wrote:

Moggy wrote:The trouble with the left is they just can't stick together and fight each other more than the other side. The whole centrist/liberal v left/socialist arguments consistently strawberry float up the chance of defeating the actual enemy. "Oh I couldn't vote for Bernie!" or "Oh Bernie didn't win so I'm not voting" stuff is amazingly self-destructive.

You seem to say this every other week but I'm not certain it even holds true with the United States. The membership of the Democratic Socialists of America has only really grown after the failure of the centre-right to defeat Trump in 2016. Left-wing movements simply hadn't been powerful enough pre-recession to be able to dramatically shift the policies of establishment/moderate Democrats. American progressive voters will, on the whole, have been voting Democrat against Republican their whole lives, I don't think it's fair to suggest the electoral failures of the Democrat party over the years are equally down to them.

Of course progressives will vote Democrat over Republican.

But we saw a lot of Bernie supporters were outraged when Clinton got the nomination and were outraged again when Biden got it. There was plenty of wailing that they wouldn't vote for those candidates.

The centrist/liberal side is just as bad. Dirty tricks against Bernie and I'm sure lots of them would have refused to vote for him if he had been the nominee.

We've seen a lot less of that on the Republican side up until recently. Bush, McCain, Romney and Trump didn't fit with the values and ideas of all Republicans, but we barely saw any saying they wouldn't vote for them.

Trump has been so appalling that there are now groups like the Lincoln Project that campaign against Trump. Which is a great thing, splintering the right wing is great news.

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She 100% voted for Biden, I have no doubt in my mind.

Grumpy David wrote:

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Beautiful

That's from 4 years ago

So Obama. Does anyone else feel like he seems to be going much further this time around than he did for Hillary? I know he has always seemed great friends with Biden, but it seems weird he is putting in so much effort this time around when he probably had more at stake personally in 2016.

That said, just hearing one of his speeches makes me wish he could still stand. He is one of the most patriotic politicians in the US, his speeches are always really inspiring and good-hearted. That's what amazes me about US politics. The republicans claim to be the patriotic party, but time and again it is democrat politicians that actually provide a vision for the "American dream".