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by Peter Crisp » Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:24 am

It's odd the way many Americans think being rude or protesting is so awful and yet are completely fine with actual police brutality and overt racism.

The reverence they hold for the flag is just baffling. I think I'm fairly patriotic but I don't feel the need to stand for the national anthem and if someone wants to kneel during it that seems like a pretty mild form of protest and hurts exactly nobody.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Rax » Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:53 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:It's odd the way many Americans think being rude or protesting is so awful and yet are completely fine with actual police brutality and overt racism.

The reverence they hold for the flag is just baffling. I think I'm fairly patriotic but I don't feel the need to stand for the national anthem and if someone wants to kneel during it that seems like a pretty mild form of protest and hurts exactly nobody.

The love for the flag is tied to the fact that the US is a nation of immigrants so they had to create some common ground for people to band together under. The Pledge of Allegiance does just that, every day schoolkids all over the country are pledging "allegiance to the flag", so when someone attacks the flag theyre attacking the country itself. The love for the anthem is likely the fault of the NFL weirdly, they moved the anthem front and center at every game, this was tied to the NFLs love for honoring the military so the anthem became tied to supporting the troops. So any time the anthem is protested a lot of Americans see that as a protest against their beloved military (thats a whole other web to untangle).

In a nutshell, propaganda has created a nation of flag waving, anthem loving lunatics.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Tomous » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:00 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:It's odd the way many Americans think being rude or protesting is so awful and yet are completely fine with actual police brutality and overt racism.


That's because a lot of the country is racist and believe black people are to blame for the police brutality. #bluelivesmatter :dread:

Peter Crisp wrote:The reverence they hold for the flag is just baffling. I think I'm fairly patriotic but I don't feel the need to stand for the national anthem and if someone wants to kneel during it that seems like a pretty mild form of protest and hurts exactly nobody.


You can't let the flag touch the ground....but putting the stars and stripes on every bit of merchandise possible...bikinis, whatever, it's fine. It's weird.

It's also weird how they make school kids stand in the morning and say the pledge to the flag.

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by Tafdolphin » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:23 pm

Funny fact; my mate was head of etiquette and guest relations for Wimbledon at the 2012 Olympics. The US flag fell off its pole during a medal ceremony and she had to write an official letter of apology to Michelle Obama for the sacrilegious treatment of it.

The response was an extremely formal "It's cool, don't worry about it."

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Moggy » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:44 am

twitter.com/Jason_Chatfield/status/1145091713226170368


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by Corazon de Leon » Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:48 pm

Moggy wrote:

twitter.com/Jason_Chatfield/status/1145091713226170368



I can see why he's been booted, but there's no way that firing him for that was the right decision.

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by Banjo » Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:05 pm

Corazon de Leon wrote:
Moggy wrote:

twitter.com/Jason_Chatfield/status/1145091713226170368



I can see why he's been booted, but there's no way that firing him for that was the right decision.


It's also completely off the mark...

...


...Trump would never ask for permission.

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by Corazon de Leon » Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:37 pm

Banjo wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote:
Moggy wrote:

twitter.com/Jason_Chatfield/status/1145091713226170368



I can see why he's been booted, but there's no way that firing him for that was the right decision.


It's also completely off the mark...

...


...Trump would never ask for permission.


:lol:

Very good point.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Moggy » Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:22 pm

twitter.com/tyrone345345/status/1146052619481337857



Watch until you see the flag. :lol: :fp:

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Captain Kinopio » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:47 pm

:lol:

I was going to say turning them away is a bit much but my God. What a strawberry floating idiot.

:lol:

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Peter Crisp » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:55 pm

It really is rather amazing just how far some Americans are willing to go to be on the losing side of the debate about the Confederate flag and what it represents.

It's like they are asking for the right to be openly racist and anyone who has a problem with that is somehow part of some giant conspiracy run by the mainstream media to belittle them.

I don't think they realise how odd it seems to the rest of the world to have people try and justify the use of a flag that so obviously represents slavery and then get so upset when people point out to them that the flag does indeed represent slavery. I can't think of anything similar in the UK other than maybe the Brexit stuff but that doesn't really involve flags.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Lex-Man » Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:10 pm

I don't understand why you'd want a flag that big on the back of your car regardless of what it was actually for.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by <]:^D » Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:24 pm

he just wants to make it really clear to people that he is a massive racist

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by Corazon de Leon » Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:35 pm

:lol:

Captain Kinopio wrote::lol:

I was going to say turning them away is a bit much but my God. What a strawberry floating idiot.

:lol:


I haven't seen the video, but it's definitely not a bit much regardless. The symbolism of that flag is against the very freedom of that homeowner. At the risk of using a very tired old comparison, it's not a million miles away from a bloke with a swastika bumper sticker rocking up to a synagogue to sort out the plumbing.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Peter Crisp » Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:11 pm

US nationalism seems to be about being as obnoxious as you can about it and then be amazed when some people find it all rather obnoxious.

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by Alvin Flummux » Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:54 am

So... TANKS!

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Rax » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:01 am

Hes not even tryng to hide the fact hes a fasicst dictator anymore.

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by KK » Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:47 pm

More flag-related hijinks, this time on trainers.

BBC News wrote:Arizona has pulled a $1m grant to help Nike build a new factory in a dispute over the firm's withdrawal of a trainer allegedly featuring racist symbolism.

The state's governor had condemned Nike's decision, which was prompted by complaints about its use of an old US flag embraced by white nationalists.

Nike-sponsored sportsman Colin Kaepernick had criticised the trainers, now selling on websites for $1,500.

But governor Doug Ducey said Nike had bowed to political correctness.

The special edition Air Max 1 Quick Strike Fourth of July trainer features the Betsy Ross flag.

With a circle of 13 stars representing the first US colonies, the flag was created during the American Revolution. Although opinion is divided over its origins, the flag was later adopted for use by the American Nazi party.

Nike said it withdrew the trainers "based on concerns that it could unintentionally offend and detract from the nation's patriotic holiday".

On Tuesday the trainers were selling for well over $1,500 on StockX, the online marketplace for trainers.

Earlier, Mr Kaepernick, a former NFL star, reportedly told Nike that he found the flag offensive because of its connection to the era of slavery. Other critics also raised concerns with Nike.

Last year, he became the face of Nike's advertisement marking the 30th anniversary of the company's "Just Do It" slogan.

The former American football quarterback had previously sparked a furore by kneeling during the national anthem before games to protest against police violence against African-Americans.

But the decision sparked fury.

Doug Ducey, the Republican governor of Arizona, said in a series of tweets: "Words cannot express my disappointment at this terrible decision. I am embarrassed for Nike.

"Instead of celebrating American history the week of our nation's independence, Nike has apparently decided that Betsy Ross is unworthy, and has bowed to the current onslaught of political correctness and historical revisionism," he said.

Later, the governor's office confirmed that the $1m from the Arizona Commerce Authority' Competes Fund had been withdrawn. The fund is designed to attract, expand or retain businesses to the state. The factory was expected to generate about 500 jobs.

Nike said in a statement it remained committed to making "a significant investment in an additional manufacturing centre which will create 500 new jobs". It did not mention the Arizona plant by name.

Georgia Lord, the mayor of the city of Goodyear in Arizona where Nike is building the new factory, said the city "had found itself in the middle of a difficult situation".

She said the Goodyear City Council had recently "unanimously approved a job creation agreement with Nike".

"This deal is expected to bring more than 500 jobs and a significant investment to the city. We will honor the commitment we made in our agreement," she added.

Texas Senator Ted Cruz also dismissed Nike's move as unpatriotic, writing on Twitter that the shoe giant "only wants to sell sneakers to people who hate the American flag". Other Twitter users called for a boycott of Nike products over the move.

However, Nike also received widespread support, with Twitter users pointing out that the flag had been used by white nationalists.

Matt Powell, senior industry adviser at the research and consultancy group NPD, said said Nike would probably find support among its core consumers.

"I think it's important to understand who Nike's core demographic is here. They're really focused on teens and looking at the commentary on Twitter and so forth, I don't see a lot of teens coming out with a negative attitude here," he said.

Mr Kaepernick has not played in the National Football League (NFL) since the 2016 season, and sued the organisation, arguing team owners deliberately froze him out because of his activism, later settling with the NFL.

Betsy Ross was credited with sewing the first "Stars and Stripes" flag in 1776, although this version of events has been rejected by modern US scholars.

Nike is not the only company to recently face a backlash over products labelled racially insensitive. In December, Prada pulled products accused of depicting blackface.

And on Monday, reality TV star and businesswoman Kim Kardashian said she would rename her Kimono line after people in Japan said her use of the term was disrespectful.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48840608

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Rax » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:06 pm

With the current state of things over there, surely they should be absolutely sure the flag theyre putting on things doesnt have a questionable history. Things like
the flag was later adopted for use by the American Nazi party

shouldnt be too hard to find out before you launch the product.


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