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by Rax » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:02 am

Cuttooth wrote:
Moggy wrote:ICE are going to turn into Trump’s SA/SS.

Undoubtedly.


So hes celebrating civil unrest and police brutality?

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by captain red dog » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:22 am

Rax wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:
Moggy wrote:ICE are going to turn into Trump’s SA/SS.

Undoubtedly.


So hes celebrating civil unrest and police brutality?

What the heck? How on earth can he post that and not tale a step back to see what it actually looks like! :lol:

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by Moggy » Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:46 am

captain red dog wrote:
Rax wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:
Moggy wrote:ICE are going to turn into Trump’s SA/SS.

Undoubtedly.


So hes celebrating civil unrest and police brutality?

What the heck? How on earth can he post that and not tale a step back to see what it actually looks like! :lol:


It’s Rudy Giuliani, the only shocking thing is that he knows how to use Twitter.

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by Peter Crisp » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:48 pm

It does amaze me just how much force US conservatives allow the police to use.
They seem to have this idea that anyone who doesn't instantly submit to the police completely should always bee seen as a mortal threat and dealt with accordingly. Even simply asking "Why have I been stopped?" is seen as over the line and that person is now open for whatever treatment the officer decides necessary.

I remember the London Riots and how the police acted with restraint in the face of actual mobs smashing gooseberry fool up I can only imagine what sort of military style force would have been drafted in had that happened in the US and many, many people would have been shot and killed.

I think republicans have this idea that the police only ever stop actual criminals so anyone they deal with is scum who don't deserve human rights.

UK police are taught to deescalate a situation and only use force as a last resort while US police are taught that everyone they deal with wants them dead.


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by Blue Eyes » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:49 pm

Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:
Rax wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:
Moggy wrote:ICE are going to turn into Trump’s SA/SS.

Undoubtedly.


So hes celebrating civil unrest and police brutality?

What the heck? How on earth can he post that and not tale a step back to see what it actually looks like! :lol:


It’s Rudy Giuliani, the only shocking thing is that he knows how to use Twitter.

banana split married his cousin. Doubt he gives a gooseberry fool what anything looks like.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Photek » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:43 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:I remember the London Riots and how the police acted with restraint in the face of actual mobs smashing gooseberry fool up I can only imagine what sort of military style force would have been drafted in had that happened in the US and many, many people would have been shot and killed.

Again, relax a bit Jonny Hyperbole Pants. Ferguson Riots and the LA Riots had no actual police shootings, not in the many MANY black lives Matters marches either.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Karl_ » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:54 pm

I understand you have some kind of beef with Peter but "chill out, American cops aren't that bad" isn't the take you're looking for.

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by Photek » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:07 pm

Karl_ wrote:I understand you have some kind of beef with Peter but "chill out, American cops aren't that bad" isn't the take you're looking for.

I’ve no beef with Peter and the militarisation of the US police force and systemic Racism and police shootings of black men are all big problems, no need for him to conjure up meaningless anecdotes not based on anything factual to prove... well what exactly?

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by captain red dog » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:40 pm

I think the extremely poor actions of police in the US has a lot to do with their stupid gun culture. When pulling someone over or stopping someone on the street, there is always a pretty high risk that person can be armed. So you end up with hyper alert police, which causes them to act unreasonably and then causes the situation to escalate. It's like a never ending circle of failure.

Add in human faults like bias, racism etc, it's probably a miracle that the situation isn't even worse.

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by Peter Crisp » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:14 pm

Photek wrote:
Karl_ wrote:I understand you have some kind of beef with Peter but "chill out, American cops aren't that bad" isn't the take you're looking for.

I’ve no beef with Peter and the militarisation of the US police force and systemic Racism and police shootings of black men are all big problems, no need for him to conjure up meaningless anecdotes not based on anything factual to prove... well what exactly?


Mainly to prove that the US police are allowed to use way, way more force than UK police and you have an entire section of society in the Republicans who seem to think the police can do no wrong.
That's hardly a meaningless anecdote it's just a fact.

Also there's no animosity between Photek and I we just happen to disagree about some things to do with the US is all which is fine.

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by Corazon de Leon » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:22 pm

captain red dog wrote:I think the extremely poor actions of police in the US has a lot to do with their stupid gun culture. When pulling someone over or stopping someone on the street, there is always a pretty high risk that person can be armed. So you end up with hyper alert police, which causes them to act unreasonably and then causes the situation to escalate. It's like a never ending circle of failure.

Add in human faults like bias, racism etc, it's probably a miracle that the situation isn't even worse.


You're bang on. I don't doubt that a significant proportion of American cops are genuine scumbags, racists and bullies who got into law enforcement for all the wrong reasons, but there are a lot of cops who genuinely want to help, and are completely ruined by the hyper-vigilant state that they have to be in *at all times.*

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by Photek » Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:30 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:Also there's no animosity between Photek and I we just happen to disagree about some things to do with the US is all which is fine.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by KK » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:52 am

The advertising that appears on local newspaper websites in America is amazing...

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by Alvin Flummux » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:14 pm

I'm pretty sure that those ads are a load of gooseberry fool.

The Democratic debate last night was quite nice to watch - ABC's moderators asked good, sometimes difficult questions on a variety of subjects that weren't all about generating artificial conflict or soundbites, there was substantive debate, and they kept things from getting too out of hand. Really showed up NBC and CNN, honestly.

All the candidates were solid, but there were no real standout moments where one candidate shone brighter than the others.

Biden was more polished, but he rambled and seemed to have trouble finding his words, even referencing a record player at one point (gotta get that hipster voting bloc!).

Warren and Sanders owned the healthcare segment of the debate, but it was framed in such a way as to make it very difficult for them to make real headway on the subject. I thought that they did well throughout the rest of the debate, too.

Beto performed well, but his "hell yes we'll take your AR-15" moment could make him unelectable in his home state now, despite the overall sensibleness of the statement.

Harris performed well too, but she seems to be having trouble getting past her dubious human rights record from her time as Attorney General.

Buttigieg had a good night, with good responses. He's one of my top three, alongside Warren and Harris.

Klobuchar, Yang and Castro didn't really excited me like they have previously. I think they should probably drop out soon and run for the Senate.

My only concern is that matters like election security didn't come up in the questions, and the candidates didn't bring it up either.

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JOE BIDEN’S STUNNINGLY RACIST ANSWER ON THE LEGACY OF SLAVERY HAS BEEN OVERLOOKED

[...]

Davis said to Biden, “You said that some 40 years ago, but as you stand here tonight, what responsibility do you think that Americans need to take to repair the legacy of slavery in our country?”

Biden’s answer was staggeringly incoherent, obscuring, to his own benefit, what was, underneath, a horrifyingly racist answer. Here’s his whole response:

Well, they have to deal with the — look, there’s institutional segregation in this country. And from the time I got involved, I started dealing with that. Redlining, banks, making sure we are in a position where — look, you talk about education. I propose that what we take the very poor schools, the Title I schools, triple the amount of money we spend from $15 to $45 billion a year. Give every single teacher a raise to the $60,000 level.

Number two, make sure that we bring in to help the teachers deal with the problems that come from home. The problems that come from home. We have one school psychologist for every 1,500 kids in America today. It’s crazy. The teachers are — I’m married to a teacher, my deceased wife is a teacher. They have every problem coming to them. Make sure that every single child does, does in fact, have 3-, 4- and 5-year-olds go to school. Not day care, school.

We bring social workers into homes of parents to help them deal with how to raise their children. It’s not that they don’t want to help, they don’t want — they don’t know quite what to do. Play the radio, make sure the television — excuse me, make sure you have the record player on at night, the phone — make sure that kids hear words. A kid coming from a very poor school — a very poor background — will hear 4 million words fewer spoken by the time they get there.


The thoroughly racist paternalism came at the end of Biden’s answer, at which point many viewers had likely zoned out. It was not adequately highlighted in post-debate coverage, so it’s worth taking a closer look at.

In response to a question on the legacy of slavery, Biden said: “We bring social workers into homes of parents to help them deal with how to raise their children. It’s not that they don’t want to help, they don’t want — they don’t know quite what to do.”

Author Anand Giridharadas flagged the moment. “Is this not one of the most explicitly racist moments of all time in a Democratic primary debate?” he wondered. “Asked about his past comments denying responsibility, as a white man, for America’s sins, he gives an answer insinuating that black parents don’t know how to raise kids.”


The answer appears to reflect not a campaign talking point, but Biden’s genuine thoughts on the question of race relations in the U.S. He has been criticized for his leading role in developing the policy infrastructure of mass incarceration, while couching it in dehumanizing and paternalistic language that was popular — and popularized by politicians like Biden — in the 1980s. The biases from which those ideas and that rhetoric sprang are still alive, if not necessarily well, in Biden’s mind 40 years later.

Nikole Hannah-Jones, a journalist leading the New York Times Magazine’s “1619 Project” on the legacy of 400 years of slavery and its aftermath in America, said that Biden’s remark was revealing. “He talked about poverty, social workers needing to help families raise their kids and debunked science on vocab deficits,” she said. “He assumed we’d all understand he meant black folks even without saying — as if black is synonymous with poverty/dysfunction.”

Biden maintains his fragile lead over the Democratic primary field largely thanks to his overwhelming support from black voters.

The latest CNN poll, for instance, has him at 24 percent among all voters, with Elizabeth Warren at 18 percent and Bernie Sanders at 17 percent. But among Hispanic voters, Sanders is beating Biden 24 to 18 percent. And among white voters, Warren is beating Biden 23 to 21 percent.

Only among black voters is Biden comfortably — or, at least, widely — ahead, pulling 42 percent of the vote to Sanders’s 12 percent and Warren’s 10 percent.

Biden’s political approach to race has long been geared toward assuaging the racial anxieties of white voters. Biden has even deployed his — at best — racial insensitivity toward Barack Obama himself. “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” Biden declared in 2007. It’s an irony that he was added to Obama’s ticket not in spite of his racial politics, but because of them.

“Obama,” the Times reported recently, was “deeply worried about a backlash against a black man at the top of the ticket, and believed that an older white running mate would ease fears in battleground states like Pennsylvania, Michigan and Indiana that he had lost in the primaries.”

He told his adviser, David Axelrod: “Barack Hussein Obama is change enough for most people.” Biden’s politics have now been laundered by his eight years serving the country’s first black president, but that doesn’t mean he’s clean.


https://theintercept.com/2019/09/13/joe ... e-slavery/

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by KK » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:20 pm

Possible signs of a sea change coming down the road at Fox News...just depends how long that road is.

James Murdoch, speaking to the New Yorker:

Having spent years working for his family’s company in the Far East and Europe, James said that he has grown worried about rising threats to democratic societies around the world. “There’d been a bet for a long time that economic liberalization would inevitably lead to political liberalization,” he said, “but it didn’t work out that way.” Instead, he said, authoritarian regimes are using digital disinformation tactics and other high-tech weapons to undermine democracies. “The connective tissue of our society is being manipulated to make us fight with each other, making us the worst versions of ourselves,” he said, sounding an awful lot like a person describing Fox News.

Is James taking aim at his father? “There are views I really disagree with on Fox,” he said. “But I wouldn’t cast it as some reaction to that.” He is also backing a program at the Center for New American Security, a bipartisan think tank. The aim of the program, called Countering High-Tech Illiberalism, as it’s described on the Web site for the Quadrivium foundation, founded by James and his wife, Kathryn, is “to craft effective, practical, actionable, and ambitious policies domestically and abroad” that impair illiberal populism, such as fighting disinformation and electoral interference. (Fox News hosts have downplayed Russia’s interference in the 2016 election.)

Quadrivium also supports nonprofit groups seeking to increase American voter turnout by making it easier to register to vote and safeguarding voting rights—steps that could help defeat Trump. “But this is not just a Trumpian problem,” James said. “Generally, Western liberalism is up against an enormous amount of opposition everywhere.”

James did not want to comment on his relationship with his father, but said that they’d seen each other recently at a corporate board meeting. Asked whether the two talk, he said, “There are periods of time when we do not.”

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019 ... m_medium=2

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by Alvin Flummux » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:23 pm

Too little, too late. The world is marching headlong into an era of climate-induced Eco Fascism that'll see a billion climate refugees fleeing newly uninhabitable regions, and insular developed nations ruled by oligarchs and dictators trying to stop them by any means. Charnel houses at the border.

Gonna be a fun strawberry floating century.

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by Peter Crisp » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:50 pm

Alvin Flummux wrote:Too little, too late. The world is marching headlong into an era of climate-induced Eco Fascism that'll see a billion climate refugees fleeing newly uninhabitable regions, and insular developed nations ruled by oligarchs and dictators trying to stop them by any means. Charnel houses at the border.

Gonna be a fun strawberry floating century.


So what you're saying is we'll get these guys
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I just need to find a way to survive the next few hundred years and avoid being vaporised by a nuke but at least it's worth waiting for.

jiggles wrote:Nobody with a VR headset is going to be using it regularly this time next year, let alone in 4 years time.


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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Cuttooth » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:19 pm



Scum.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Peter Crisp » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:06 am

Yeah, that's some shitty eulogy.
I'd honestly like to have a conversation with Trump fans and just ask why they support him even though he does stuff that I'm sure they wouldn't support anyone else doing. Ok so he doesn't like this person but have at least a shred of dignity and just say something nice and leave it at that or just say nothing it's not that difficult.

jiggles wrote:Nobody with a VR headset is going to be using it regularly this time next year, let alone in 4 years time.


Posted 16th March 2016. Let's see.

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