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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Monkey Man » Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:12 pm

Romney isn't up for election until 2024. He's become the 1st person ever to vote for a president of his own party to be impeached.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Moggy » Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:03 pm



strawberry floating hell, I was only joking earlier....

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by Memento Mori » Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:07 am

Alvin Flummux wrote:If he isn't retiring, it's a cynical stunt to aid in reelection.

He's a Mormon senator in Utah, he doesn't need help to be reelected.

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by Lex-Man » Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:04 pm

The new poll finds 50% of Americans disapproving of Trump, leaving just 1% expressing no opinion. The average percentage not having an opinion on Trump has been 5% throughout his presidency.

Trump's approval rating has risen because of higher ratings among both Republicans and independents. His 94% approval rating among Republicans is up six percentage points from early January and is three points higher than his previous best among his fellow partisans. The 42% approval rating among independents is up five points, and ties three other polls as his best among that group. Democratic approval is 7%, down slightly from 10%.

The 87-point gap between Republican and Democratic approval in the current poll is the largest Gallup has measured in any Gallup poll to date, surpassing the prior record, held by Trump and Barack Obama, by one point.

The Jan. 16-29 poll was conducted in the midst of the Senate impeachment trial that will likely result in the president's acquittal. The poll finds 52% of Americans in favor of acquitting Trump and 46% in favor of convicting and removing him from office.


https://news.gallup.com/poll/284156/tru ... -best.aspx

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Monkey Man » Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:37 am

2020 version of the Friday night massacre underway -



Also Vindmans twin brother was fired today as well.




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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Peter Crisp » Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:48 am

Yes, that's totally Presidential and not in the slightest petty or vindictive.

He's not even trying to hide his complete childishness now.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
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by Lex-Man » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:19 am

So this whole thing seems to have blown up in the democrats face. There is now less chance of finding out what Donnie is up to and his approval rating has jumped 9%.

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by Dual » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:31 am

4 MORE YEARS 4 MORE YEARS :toot: :toot: :toot:

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Moggy » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:36 am

Lex-Man wrote:So this whole thing seems to have blown up in the democrats face. There is now less chance of finding out what Donnie is up to and his approval rating has jumped 9%.


It’s jumped but it went from a rating of “gooseberry fool” to a rating of “slightly less gooseberry fool”.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/tr ... l-ratings/

He’s comfortably below all other recent Presidents.

And what’s the alternative? Ignore his wrongdoing because you’re scared his approval rating might go up slightly?

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by Lex-Man » Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:29 pm

Moggy wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:So this whole thing seems to have blown up in the democrats face. There is now less chance of finding out what Donnie is up to and his approval rating has jumped 9%.


It’s jumped but it went from a rating of “gooseberry fool” to a rating of “slightly less gooseberry fool”.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/tr ... l-ratings/

He’s comfortably below all other recent Presidents.

And what’s the alternative? Ignore his wrongdoing because you’re scared his approval rating might go up slightly?


This argument is about consequentialism Vs deontology. Which has been raging for hundreds of years I don't think we're going to solve it.

But yes essentially I think the democrats shouldn't do things that increase the chance of Trump being in power even if it is strictly the right thing to do. I don't think Trump needs a big bump to win the next election.

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by <]:^D » Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:49 pm

didnt think id see consequentialism v deontology in the us politics thread :lol:

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Alvin Flummux » Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:04 pm

Think we could make a GRcade Solves thread about it?

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by Lex-Man » Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:42 pm

<]:^D wrote:didnt think id see consequentialism v deontology in the us politics thread :lol:


Well that's basically the argument that is being made. Although I'm guessing Moggy will be back to tell me this case won't effect anything.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Moggy » Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:45 pm

Lex-Man wrote:
<]:^D wrote:didnt think id see consequentialism v deontology in the us politics thread :lol:


Well that's basically the argument that is being made. Although I'm guessing Moggy will be back to tell me this case won't effect anything.


You really think that anybody has permanently changed their allegiance to Trump because of the impeachment trial?

Trump has so many scandals that this’ll seem like a distant memory by the time November gets here.

And I don’t think it’s a good long term plan to ignore corruption and law breaking by the president.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Alvin Flummux » Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:46 pm

Ignoring it normalizes it, and sets the stage for full blown dictatorship.

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by Lex-Man » Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:50 pm

Moggy wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
<]:^D wrote:didnt think id see consequentialism v deontology in the us politics thread :lol:


Well that's basically the argument that is being made. Although I'm guessing Moggy will be back to tell me this case won't effect anything.


You really think that anybody has permanently changed their allegiance to Trump because of the impeachment trial?

Trump has so many scandals that this’ll seem like a distant memory by the time November gets here.

And I don’t think it’s a good long term plan to ignore corruption and law breaking by the president.


There's a number of voters in the rust belt of the US who might switch one way or the other and they represent the best chance for Trump to win. This has made it more likely that they'll come out for Trump again.

I don't think you should ignore it but unless you have a good chance of getting things to stick, your just going to make him look better. This isn't going to be dropped for anything else, every time Trump speaks he's going to talk about it. His actions have already being normalised by what happened.

The time to get him would be 2021 when he's out of office and the Dems have control of country and normal legal systems can work on him. By moving now the Dems are just making him more likely to get him in for another four years so he can continue to kick lumps out of the US political system and further break it.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Meep » Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:45 pm

The worst thing they could do is select a liberal and then try to appease the chuds who support Trump, which is a waste of time. Those people aren't going to change their minds. For one thing, Trump has not made their lives measurably worse than they were under Obama so they have zero reason to hand power back to another establishment candidate of the DNC while Trump continues to stoke reactionary feelings in the culture war. At the same time they would be alienating the left of the party who, while they might grudgingly turn up and vote for another liberal candidate, certainly won't be dedicating a lot of free time to fight for them or give any passionate support.

Unfortunately I think this is exactly what most of the Democrat establishment is dead set on doing.

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by Lex-Man » Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:29 pm

Meep wrote:The worst thing they could do is select a liberal and then try to appease the chuds who support Trump, which is a waste of time. Those people aren't going to change their minds. For one thing, Trump has not made their lives measurably worse than they were under Obama so they have zero reason to hand power back to another establishment candidate of the DNC while Trump continues to stoke reactionary feelings in the culture war. At the same time they would be alienating the left of the party who, while they might grudgingly turn up and vote for another liberal candidate, certainly won't be dedicating a lot of free time to fight for them or give any passionate support.

Unfortunately I think this is exactly what most of the Democrat establishment is dead set on doing.


Honestly the Dems had a huge margin last time all they need to do is campaign better in the rust belt. Clinton didn't even bother to visit those states once and they flipped against her.

Who ever wins just needs to show up there.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Peter Crisp » Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:06 pm

The odd thing is the left in the US is becoming wider and wider as the Republicans claim more and more things are socialism. It seems to be a standard Republican tactic to claim that every idea by anyone who isn't Republican will automatically end up with Venezuela.
If a candidate came out and said they wanted the US to be exactly like Germany they'd claim it would end up in financial ruin and everyone would be homeless despite Germany being one of the richest countries on Earth.

Policies don't seem to matter any more and it's all about tribalism and not being seen as a snowflake.

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