US Politics 2

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Meep » Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:17 pm

Trump is just upset because he can't watch Parasite until they released a dubbed version.

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by Alvin Flummux » Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:37 pm

Bernie has apparently been briefed that Russia is meddling on his behalf.

Anyone with an ounce of sense knows that this is to give Trump pretext to void the election results if Bernie beats him, sewing chaos and degrading further global trust in western democracy.

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by Lex-Man » Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:24 pm

To be fair Russia probably are putting out pro Bernie stuff they don't actually care who wins they're just trying to make the biggest gooseberry fool show. They were creating fake pro police and man lives matter groups a while ago.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Meep » Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:58 pm

I think its 1:1 odds that the "Russia backs Sanders" stuff is manufactured by the intelligence community as a smear. You may think that's paranoid but, IMO, believing that the US secret service would just be sitting idly by and doing nothing while a democratic socialist races ahead for a presidential domination is naive. If you think they are I suggest you read up on their history.

Sanders is the favourite anyway so it makes no rational sense for Russia to interfere on his side and risk being caught out, assuming they favour him. Either way, we will probably never know. :?

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Captain Kinopio » Sat Feb 22, 2020 2:07 pm

1:1

As in, just as likely as not?

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Peter Crisp » Sat Feb 22, 2020 3:16 pm

I really don't understand how anyone with an ounce of conscience can vote for McConnell when you take even a cursory look at his actions.
The guy has blocked hundreds of bills designed to help people simply because it's a Democrat proposal and even bi-partisan stuff gets blocked simply because he can.
He's been filmed saying to a bunch of donors that he's "The grim reaper" for any bills they don't like which would normally be political suicide but he just keeps being voted in.

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by Alvin Flummux » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:41 pm

Holy gooseberry fool the Liberty Hangout Twitter.

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:dread: People actually think like this. What the strawberry float.

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Ahhh, that's a soothing balm.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Peter Crisp » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:49 pm

Liberal Democracy = worse than living under Nazi, Communist alien overlords from Venus who eat people!

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by Alvin Flummux » Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:38 pm

This isn't an election: It's a civil war, and our side isn't necessarily winning
Trump has cut the heart out of our democracy, and he's not finished. If we don't end him, we lose everything

In what amounted to a casual aside at his rally in Colorado Springs on Thursday night, Donald Trump drew the battle lines in this election as clearly as I've heard them drawn yet. Facing another of his virtually all-white audience in the city that is headquarters to multiple fundamentalist sects and several Christian megachurches, Trump waved his arms and asked, "By the way, how bad were the Academy Awards this year?" The crowd jeered loudly. "Did you see it? And the winner is … a movie from South Korea! What the hell was that all about?" he went on with undisguised disgust. "We got enough problems with South Korea with trade. On top of that, they give them best movie of the year? Was it good? I don't know. Let's get 'Gone With the Wind'! Can we get 'Gone With the Wind' back, please?"

Trump may as well have waved a Confederate battle flag. The crowd knew exactly what he meant. "Make America Great Again" now had a point of origin, and the greatness they yearned for had not been expressed by the Oscar win of "Parasite" director Bong Joon-ho or, God forbid, the election of Barack Obama, but by Rhett Butler and Scarlett O'Hara.

Trump is letting us know that he and his base don't think of this as an election. It's a civil war. They want to turn the clock back to the time that Negroes knew their place and women were happy making biscuits in the kitchen and employers could pay their workers anything they wanted and the question of who got to vote was decided by a few white men in a smoke-filled room.

Look around you. With William Barr at the Justice Department and Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch on the Supreme Court and Senate Republicans voting in lockstep with Mitch McConnell, living in Donald Trump's America feels like the South won the Civil War. If we don't get our gooseberry fool together and drive him from office at the ballot box in November, we'll lose this one, too.

Trump made use of an enemy foreign power, Russia, to win election in 2016, and if what the intelligence community told the Congress this week is correct, he's in the process of doing it again. There won't be any investigation of foreign interference this time. What did the Mueller investigation accomplish? Sure, there were a few months when it looked like it would go somewhere. I mean, Trump's people had been running all over the place meeting with Russians in cigar bars, and Roger Stone was on the phone to WikiLeaks, and there was a department of the FSB (Russia's equivalent to the CIA) devoted to hacking the Democrats and a whole goddamned building in St. Petersburg posting on Twitter and running Russkie bots through Facebook. And then Trump fired Jim Comey and had Sergey Kislyak and Sergey Lavrov into the Oval Office, where he told the two Russians the "pressure is off."

And then Trump's hand-picked shithammer, William Barr, dug a hole right under his office window in Washington and threw Mueller's 400 pages in, shoveled in some dirt, and it was like the whole thing had never happened.

The stunning thing is, Trump keeps getting caught and nothing happens. His entire administration leaks like a collapsed dam. Every time he does something cruel or stupid or even illegal, somebody calls a reporter or blows a whistle. Look at the Ukraine scandal. Everything from Trump's phone call to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to Rudy Giuliani's latest bowel movement was exposed, and yet the effort to impeach him was doomed from the start.

Even the House testimony by 10 people from Trump's own administration had no effect, like the appearance by my old friend Bill Taylor. I kept waiting for him, or one of them anyway, to get up there and metaphorically grab the members of the committee by the lapels and yell, "Don't you see what the strawberry floater did? He bribed a foreign government using our tax dollars to help him get elected!"

Then the impeachment trial in the Senate took place, and Adam Schiff got up there and said exactly that, and what did they do? Republicans voted in lockstep to acquit him and nothing happened. There were no consequences for Trump, and now he's unbound. He's going to accept Russian help with his campaign right out in the open, and he'll stand up at one of his rallies and look into the cameras and say, "I did it, and strawberry float you."


Donald Trump is who he always was: a mobbed up grifter from New York who learned from his father that you can welch on debts, pay people off and game the system, and when you get caught, walk away. If you're outrageous enough about it, people will be so stunned they are unwilling or unable to act. Trump's old pal Roy Cohn was a past master at this. I covered him while I was on the staff of the Village Voice. He used to travel around the country giving speeches in smaller cities to Republican gatherings that were all impressed they could get Roy Cohn to come to Sheboygan or Zanesville and speak at their fundraisers. He would meet a local banker over rubber chicken and talk him into a signature loan for 50 or 100 grand, and he'd take the money and stiff them every time. He was sued over and over again by these little local banks, and he never paid a cent.

Trump also learned from Roy Cohn that you can steal stuff in plain sight and get away with it if you just say "strawberry float you" loudly and often enough. I think that's what Trump is doing to the whole country. He's saying, "strawberry float you. I never believed in your democracy, I never believed in your capitalism, I never believed in your establishment, and look what I did! I got elected president! strawberry float you! I'm going to take everything I want! I'm going to fly Air Force One anywhere I want, and I'm going to play golf more often than Arnie Palmer, and I'm going to bellow racism and lies at my rallies, and I'm going to jack up the Secret Service for rooms at my resorts, and I'm not going to pay a strawberry floating cent and what are you going to do about it? I'm going to call Vladimir Putin on the phone and I'm going to get him to help me steal another election, and strawberry float you."

That's Trump's philosophy in a nutshell: do whatever you want and say "strawberry float you." He's getting away with it the same way he got away with stiffing contractors and welching on bank loans and going into bankruptcy and taking out more loans and when they come due saying "strawberry float you."

I think we stand a chance to beat him, but we'll have to dig ourselves out of a deep, deep hole when he's gone. Some of us never will: The children ripped from their mothers' arms at the border, the voters who will go to the polls and be turned away, the poor who will go hungry when their food stamps are cut, the land and water and air that will be despoiled, the species that will go extinct, the companies that will fail, the women whose health clinics will close, the hopes that will be dashed and gone away forever.

Trump has cut the heart out of America. He's turning our democracy into a dictatorship, and he's not finished.


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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Peter Crisp » Sat Feb 22, 2020 8:45 pm

The sad thing is the people Trump screws the most are also his biggest fans.
Anyone who takes time to actually see what type of person he really is instead of his false persona will see he's a complete banana split who doesn't deserve to be in charge of anything let alone the country.

It's sad that being a multiple failed businessman who's shafted people for decades is somehow seen by some as a better candidate for President than people who've been in public service for decades. Those people really do see public employees as parasites and they believe in the mantra that Tax = Theft.

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by Lex-Man » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:22 pm

Donald Trump’s popularity rating is improving at a key moment in election year – boosting his chances of winning a second term in the White House.

As Bernie Sanders stormed to victory in the Nevada caucuses, establishing a grip on the Democratic primary, a new Gallup poll gave Trump a 49% approval rating and a disapproval rating of 48%. It was the first net positive for the president in the poll since the beginning of his presidency in January 2017.

The fivethirtyeight website average of popularity polls shows Trump’s approval rising since September, when impeachment proceedings began.

Acquitted in his Senate impeachment trial, Trump’s average approval rating now stands at 43.3%, to 52.2% disapproving.


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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Drumstick » Sun Feb 23, 2020 8:14 pm

HOW?

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Moggy » Sun Feb 23, 2020 8:17 pm

Drumstick wrote:HOW?


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by Peter Crisp » Sun Feb 23, 2020 8:26 pm

Drumstick wrote:HOW?


I think you're underestimating the ability of conservative news outlets to overlook all the negative aspects of Trumps Presidency and be nothing but cheerleaders for him. If you ask Trump fans about him you'll be amazed just how little they know about what he does or actually proposes.

There's also the frankly ludicrous levels of paranoia about socialism they spout. They will with a straight face say maternity leave is socialism and asking for the same amount of holidays as someone from the UK office of a company will somehow bankrupt the company instantly.
It's honestly amazing to watch someone argue against having 20 days paid holiday a year as if the very idea will turn everyone into lazy slobs.

Most Americans would be amazed that I get 26 days a year plus bank holidays and I'm not exactly at the top end of holiday entitlement here.

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by Meep » Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:17 pm

A lot of it must be complete ignorance of the rest of the world beyond the US. It should be impossible for anyone to say universal healthcare is unaffordable when literally every other developed country in the world has it in some form but somehow this is an argument even Democrats trot out. This applies to other areas, such as minimum wage, which is now nearly double here in the UK vs US, yet apparently their economy would implode if they paid their workers half-decently.

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by Peter Crisp » Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:43 pm

Meep wrote:A lot of it must be complete ignorance of the rest of the world beyond the US. It should be impossible for anyone to say universal healthcare is unaffordable when literally every other developed country in the world has it in some form but somehow this is an argument even Democrats trot out. This applies to other areas, such as minimum wage, which is now nearly double here in the UK vs US, yet apparently their economy would implode if they paid their workers half-decently.


I love it when they claim because the US is bigger than the UK that it somehow means an NHS style service is unworkable.
The NHS has a million staff it's not exactly small. Yes, the US system would be bigger but not to the extent that it would be unrecognisable or couldn't use the NHS as inspiration.

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by Squinty » Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:29 am

From an outward view, it seems like Americans are conditioned to protect the interests of big business. I don't know how anyone could argue against free healthcare, but they do.

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by Peter Crisp » Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:25 am

I think maybe part of it is a feeling that if it's free at the point of service people will abuse it.
The problem with that idea is most people are honest and more than that I'm unsure who would want to make themselves feel unwell just so they can go and see a doctor.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Moggy » Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:14 pm

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by Winckle » Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:26 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:I think maybe part of it is a feeling that if it's free at the point of service people will abuse it.
The problem with that idea is most people are honest and more than that I'm unsure who would want to make themselves feel unwell just so they can go and see a doctor.

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