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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Nibble » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:44 am

Memento Mori wrote:

twitter.com/hakeem_jeffries/status/1349112180633980936



To quote his girlfriend- "The best is yet to come!".


Would a presidential pardon make this go away? Or are crimes committed in DC more like 'state' crimes?

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Memento Mori » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:47 am

Nibble wrote:
Memento Mori wrote:

twitter.com/hakeem_jeffries/status/1349112180633980936



To quote his girlfriend- "The best is yet to come!".


Would a presidential pardon make this go away? Or are crimes committed in DC more like 'state' crimes?

DC isn't a state (yet) so I think a pardon could erase it yeah. There was talk though that Trump was being convinced not to self-pardon himself because it would increase the likelihood of the DOJ indicting him to prove self-pardons aren't legal and if he couldn't self-pardon himself he didn't want to pardon anyone else.

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Tomous » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:51 am

IF I CANT GET A PARDON NO ONE CAN would be very Trumplike

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by OrangeRKN » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:02 am

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:Every political discussion I have at the moment just ends up realising that a mandate-winning percentage of people are horrible selfish twats and there's nothing we can do about it.


Depends what you mean by mandate. It's our broken voting system that enables minority rule.

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Oblomov Boblomov » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:20 am

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Oblomov Boblomov wrote:Every political discussion I have at the moment just ends up realising that a mandate-winning percentage of people are horrible selfish twats and there's nothing we can do about it.


Depends what you mean by mandate. It's our broken voting system that enables minority rule.

I suppose the idea that there's anything we can do about it extends as far as you believe there is hope that we can change the voting system to ensure a fairer representation of the population.

So yeah... not very far at all :(.

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Drumstick » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:24 am

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:Is it conceivable in any way that the end of Trump could splinter the Republican party? Could they see the rise of a UKIP/Brexit Party equivalent as we did over here or is the two party state too ingrained in their politics?

In terms of the GOP, some (most?) appear to have effectively disowned the Trumpster.

Now, whether Teflon Don's base will see this as a betrayal of their Supreme Leader, and no longer vote for the Republicans, that is up in the air. Like Moggy I think it's probably hopeful at best, but time will ultimately tell.

I'd like Trump to run as an Independent in 2024 because it would effectively hand the election to the Democrats, but more importantly, it could be the wedge that absolutely splinters the Rs and that would be a glorious, glorious thing.

That said, I'm torn because of my desire to see Annoying Orange indicted and incarcerated, so I guess I'll take what I can get.

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Oblomov Boblomov » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:26 am

Drumstick wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:Is it conceivable in any way that the end of Trump could splinter the Republican party? Could they see the rise of a UKIP/Brexit Party equivalent as we did over here or is the two party state too ingrained in their politics?

In terms of the GOP, some (most?) appear to have effectively disowned the Trumpster.

Now, whether Teflon Don's base will see this as a betrayal of their Supreme Leader, and no longer vote for the Republicans, that is up in the air. Like Moggy I think it's probably hopeful at best, but time will ultimately tell.

I'd like Trump to run as an Independent in 2024 because it would effectively hand the election to the Democrats, but more importantly, it could be the wedge that absolutely splinters the Rs and that would be a glorious, glorious thing.

That said, I'm torn because of my desire to see Annoying Orange indicted and incarcerated, so I guess I'll take what I can get.

Maybe the Dumpster can rot in prison while one of his scumbag sons goes for it instead, enabling the glorious splintering we so desire? 8-)

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Rex Kramer » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:28 am

I do wonder how much of Trump's votes are from dyed in the wool Republicans and how much he's managed to attract those who's views aren't normally represented and therefore don't vote in a normal election. Maybe that's a fairly large (usually) silent minority.

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Tomous » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:28 am

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Drumstick wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:Is it conceivable in any way that the end of Trump could splinter the Republican party? Could they see the rise of a UKIP/Brexit Party equivalent as we did over here or is the two party state too ingrained in their politics?

In terms of the GOP, some (most?) appear to have effectively disowned the Trumpster.

Now, whether Teflon Don's base will see this as a betrayal of their Supreme Leader, and no longer vote for the Republicans, that is up in the air. Like Moggy I think it's probably hopeful at best, but time will ultimately tell.

I'd like Trump to run as an Independent in 2024 because it would effectively hand the election to the Democrats, but more importantly, it could be the wedge that absolutely splinters the Rs and that would be a glorious, glorious thing.

That said, I'm torn because of my desire to see Annoying Orange indicted and incarcerated, so I guess I'll take what I can get.

Maybe the Dumpster can rot in prison while one of his scumbag sons goes for it instead, enabling the glorious splintering we so desire? 8-)



They'll hopefully be in jail too.

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Oblomov Boblomov » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:29 am

Tomous wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Drumstick wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:Is it conceivable in any way that the end of Trump could splinter the Republican party? Could they see the rise of a UKIP/Brexit Party equivalent as we did over here or is the two party state too ingrained in their politics?

In terms of the GOP, some (most?) appear to have effectively disowned the Trumpster.

Now, whether Teflon Don's base will see this as a betrayal of their Supreme Leader, and no longer vote for the Republicans, that is up in the air. Like Moggy I think it's probably hopeful at best, but time will ultimately tell.

I'd like Trump to run as an Independent in 2024 because it would effectively hand the election to the Democrats, but more importantly, it could be the wedge that absolutely splinters the Rs and that would be a glorious, glorious thing.

That said, I'm torn because of my desire to see Annoying Orange indicted and incarcerated, so I guess I'll take what I can get.

Maybe the Dumpster can rot in prison while one of his scumbag sons goes for it instead, enabling the glorious splintering we so desire? 8-)


They'll hopefully be in jail too.

I'll happily accept one of them remaining free if it results in an ultimately ineffective third party that reduces support for the Republicans.

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Nibble » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:37 am

Memento Mori wrote:
Nibble wrote:
Memento Mori wrote:

twitter.com/hakeem_jeffries/status/1349112180633980936



To quote his girlfriend- "The best is yet to come!".


Would a presidential pardon make this go away? Or are crimes committed in DC more like 'state' crimes?

DC isn't a state (yet) so I think a pardon could erase it yeah. There was talk though that Trump was being convinced not to self-pardon himself because it would increase the likelihood of the DOJ indicting him to prove self-pardons aren't legal and if he couldn't self-pardon himself he didn't want to pardon anyone else.


OK, thanks. I think I'd read that another reason that Trump was considering not giving himself a pardon was because it could be considered an admittance of criminal behaviour which could be very problematic for him in any civil lawsuits coming his way.

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Memento Mori » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:43 am

Accepting a pardon is definitely an admission of criminal conduct.

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Moggy » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:44 am

Rex Kramer wrote:I do wonder how much of Trump's votes are from dyed in the wool Republicans and how much he's managed to attract those who's views aren't normally represented and therefore don't vote in a normal election. Maybe that's a fairly large (usually) silent minority.


1980 Reagan: 43m
1984 Reagan: 54m
1988 Bush: 48m
1992 Bush: 39m
1996 Dole: 39m
2000 Bush: 50m
2004 Bush: 62m
2008 McCain: 60m
2012 Romney: 60m
2016 Trump: 62m
2020 Trump: 74m

Republicans love voting for banana splits, but it looks like Trump attracted lots of other banana splits.

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Drumstick » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:46 am

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Tomous wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Drumstick wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:Is it conceivable in any way that the end of Trump could splinter the Republican party? Could they see the rise of a UKIP/Brexit Party equivalent as we did over here or is the two party state too ingrained in their politics?

In terms of the GOP, some (most?) appear to have effectively disowned the Trumpster.

Now, whether Teflon Don's base will see this as a betrayal of their Supreme Leader, and no longer vote for the Republicans, that is up in the air. Like Moggy I think it's probably hopeful at best, but time will ultimately tell.

I'd like Trump to run as an Independent in 2024 because it would effectively hand the election to the Democrats, but more importantly, it could be the wedge that absolutely splinters the Rs and that would be a glorious, glorious thing.

That said, I'm torn because of my desire to see Annoying Orange indicted and incarcerated, so I guess I'll take what I can get.

Maybe the Dumpster can rot in prison while one of his scumbag sons goes for it instead, enabling the glorious splintering we so desire? 8-)


They'll hopefully be in jail too.

I'll happily accept one of them remaining free if it results in an ultimately ineffective third party that reduces support for the Republicans.

We should get Jenuall to run a script to estimate the numbers, then get Tomous to audit them and provide sign off.

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Rocsteady » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:48 am

Corazon de Leon wrote:Just saw that Parler map of Europe. It is a source of genuine pride to me to see how much that drops off when you hit the border with Scotland.

I did think the same.

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:49 am

Drumstick wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Tomous wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Drumstick wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:Is it conceivable in any way that the end of Trump could splinter the Republican party? Could they see the rise of a UKIP/Brexit Party equivalent as we did over here or is the two party state too ingrained in their politics?

In terms of the GOP, some (most?) appear to have effectively disowned the Trumpster.

Now, whether Teflon Don's base will see this as a betrayal of their Supreme Leader, and no longer vote for the Republicans, that is up in the air. Like Moggy I think it's probably hopeful at best, but time will ultimately tell.

I'd like Trump to run as an Independent in 2024 because it would effectively hand the election to the Democrats, but more importantly, it could be the wedge that absolutely splinters the Rs and that would be a glorious, glorious thing.

That said, I'm torn because of my desire to see Annoying Orange indicted and incarcerated, so I guess I'll take what I can get.

Maybe the Dumpster can rot in prison while one of his scumbag sons goes for it instead, enabling the glorious splintering we so desire? 8-)


They'll hopefully be in jail too.

I'll happily accept one of them remaining free if it results in an ultimately ineffective third party that reduces support for the Republicans.

We should get Jenuall to run a script to estimate the numbers, then get Tomous to audit them and provide sign off.

:lol:

This new party would simultaneously hold the record for both the lowest and highest support in history!

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Moggy » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:50 am

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Drumstick wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Tomous wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Drumstick wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:Is it conceivable in any way that the end of Trump could splinter the Republican party? Could they see the rise of a UKIP/Brexit Party equivalent as we did over here or is the two party state too ingrained in their politics?

In terms of the GOP, some (most?) appear to have effectively disowned the Trumpster.

Now, whether Teflon Don's base will see this as a betrayal of their Supreme Leader, and no longer vote for the Republicans, that is up in the air. Like Moggy I think it's probably hopeful at best, but time will ultimately tell.

I'd like Trump to run as an Independent in 2024 because it would effectively hand the election to the Democrats, but more importantly, it could be the wedge that absolutely splinters the Rs and that would be a glorious, glorious thing.

That said, I'm torn because of my desire to see Annoying Orange indicted and incarcerated, so I guess I'll take what I can get.

Maybe the Dumpster can rot in prison while one of his scumbag sons goes for it instead, enabling the glorious splintering we so desire? 8-)


They'll hopefully be in jail too.

I'll happily accept one of them remaining free if it results in an ultimately ineffective third party that reduces support for the Republicans.

We should get Jenuall to run a script to estimate the numbers, then get Tomous to audit them and provide sign off.

:lol:

This new party would simultaneously hold the record for both the lowest and highest support in history!


If it's anything like a forum game, Jenuall would be assassinated before Inauguration Day.

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Rex Kramer » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:51 am

Moggy wrote:
Rex Kramer wrote:I do wonder how much of Trump's votes are from dyed in the wool Republicans and how much he's managed to attract those who's views aren't normally represented and therefore don't vote in a normal election. Maybe that's a fairly large (usually) silent minority.


1980 Reagan: 43m
1984 Reagan: 54m
1988 Bush: 48m
1992 Bush: 39m
1996 Dole: 39m
2000 Bush: 50m
2004 Bush: 62m
2008 McCain: 60m
2012 Romney: 60m
2016 Trump: 62m
2020 Trump: 74m

Republicans love voting for banana splits, but it looks like Trump attracted lots of other banana splits.

Looking at the last few years of data on number of eligible voter percentages (1st no of eligible voters, 2nd is votes cast and third is %) then maybe it's not that much of a factor except maybe in 2020.

2012 222,474,111 129,235,000 58%
2016 230,931,921 136,669,276 59.2%
2020 239,247,182 159,690,457 66.7%

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Victor Mildew » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:52 am

Rocsteady wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote:Just saw that Parler map of Europe. It is a source of genuine pride to me to see how much that drops off when you hit the border with Scotland.

I did think the same.


Just wait until Scotland gets mobile phones, things will soon change :capnscotty:

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Cuttooth » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:54 am

Victor Mildew wrote:
Rocsteady wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote:Just saw that Parler map of Europe. It is a source of genuine pride to me to see how much that drops off when you hit the border with Scotland.

I did think the same.


Just wait until Scotland gets mobile phones, things will soon change :capnscotty:

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