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by Cuttooth » Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:20 pm

Hexx wrote:
Memento Mori wrote:Roe V Wade is dead then.

twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1466088658092670976



I’m sure those that couldn’t bring themselves to vote Clinton in 2016 will admit their culpability

The Democrats could do something about this right now.

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by speedboatchase » Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:27 pm

Memento Mori wrote:Roe V Wade is dead then.

twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1466088658092670976



The guy has since rolled this tweet back a bit by saying it's just his prediction. It may very likely come true, but this really feeds into the outrage feedback loop of Twitter - hide your prediction as a seemingly factual development, couched in the most alarmist language possible on social media to enrage users or cause panic. I understand if a tweet like that helps to galvanise grassroots protest etc, but leave that to activists rather than reporters. Reminds me of how people sharing false images of the Australian bush fires last year didn't mind their misinformation as long as it caused a reaction.

EDIT - it seems the tweet was deleted

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Moggy » Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:45 pm

speedboatchase wrote:
Memento Mori wrote:Roe V Wade is dead then.

twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1466088658092670976



The guy has since rolled this tweet back a bit by saying it's just his prediction. It may very likely come true, but this really feeds into the outrage feedback loop of Twitter - hide your prediction as a seemingly factual development, couched in the most alarmist language possible on social media to enrage users or cause panic. I understand if a tweet like that helps to galvanise grassroots protest etc, but leave that to activists rather than reporters. Reminds me of how people sharing false images of the Australian bush fires last year didn't mind their misinformation as long as it caused a reaction.

EDIT - it seems the tweet was deleted


I can't see what was wrong with the tweet.

The Supreme Court will look at Roe v Wade: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59340789.amp

Kavanaugh has signalled he wants to overturn it: https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/liv ... ics-latest

The Republicans outnumber the Democrats on the Supreme Court and they have also suggested they will be willing to overturn it: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ion-rights

How does the tweet in anyway compare to false images of bush fires?

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by VlaSoul » Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:10 pm

Cuttooth wrote:
Hexx wrote:
Memento Mori wrote:Roe V Wade is dead then.

twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1466088658092670976



I’m sure those that couldn’t bring themselves to vote Clinton in 2016 will admit their culpability

The Democrats could do something about this right now.

they probably won't because they're also conservatives and often very religious
which is the fallacy of saying that not voting clinton makes you responsible

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Moggy » Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:12 pm

VlaSoul wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:
Hexx wrote:
Memento Mori wrote:Roe V Wade is dead then.

twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1466088658092670976



I’m sure those that couldn’t bring themselves to vote Clinton in 2016 will admit their culpability

The Democrats could do something about this right now.

they probably won't because they're also conservatives and often very religious
which is the fallacy of saying that not voting clinton makes you responsible


If Clinton had won in 2016, do you think the judges she appointed would have been willing to overturn Roe v Wade?

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Tomous » Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:19 pm

VlaSoul wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:
Hexx wrote:
Memento Mori wrote:Roe V Wade is dead then.

twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1466088658092670976



I’m sure those that couldn’t bring themselves to vote Clinton in 2016 will admit their culpability

The Democrats could do something about this right now.

they probably won't because they're also conservatives and often very religious
which is the fallacy of saying that not voting clinton makes you responsible



Thats not a fallacy, there's no way this would be happening if Clinton got in instead of Trump

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Cuttooth » Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:21 pm

Moggy wrote:
VlaSoul wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:
Hexx wrote:
Memento Mori wrote:Roe V Wade is dead then.

twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1466088658092670976



I’m sure those that couldn’t bring themselves to vote Clinton in 2016 will admit their culpability

The Democrats could do something about this right now.

they probably won't because they're also conservatives and often very religious
which is the fallacy of saying that not voting clinton makes you responsible


If Clinton had won in 2016, do you think the judges she appointed would have been willing to overturn Roe v Wade?

What makes you think the Republicans would have approved any Supreme Court nominee made by Clinton?

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Moggy » Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:23 pm

Cuttooth wrote:
Moggy wrote:
VlaSoul wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:
Hexx wrote:
Memento Mori wrote:Roe V Wade is dead then.

twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1466088658092670976



I’m sure those that couldn’t bring themselves to vote Clinton in 2016 will admit their culpability

The Democrats could do something about this right now.

they probably won't because they're also conservatives and often very religious
which is the fallacy of saying that not voting clinton makes you responsible


If Clinton had won in 2016, do you think the judges she appointed would have been willing to overturn Roe v Wade?

What makes you think the Republicans would have approved any Supreme Court nominee made by Clinton?


Because they'd have no excuses not to.

And even if they didn't, we still wouldn't have the Trump appointed judges willing to overturn Roe v Wade.

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Cuttooth » Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:23 pm

Tomous wrote:
VlaSoul wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:
Hexx wrote:
Memento Mori wrote:Roe V Wade is dead then.

twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1466088658092670976



I’m sure those that couldn’t bring themselves to vote Clinton in 2016 will admit their culpability

The Democrats could do something about this right now.

they probably won't because they're also conservatives and often very religious
which is the fallacy of saying that not voting clinton makes you responsible



Thats not a fallacy, there's no way this would be happening if Clinton got in instead of Trump


Regardless, the Democrats could do something about this right now. Not doing so is their own choice, one that deserves criticism.

Moggy wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:What makes you think the Republicans would have approved any Supreme Court nominee made by Clinton?


Because they'd have no excuses not to.

And even if they didn't, we still wouldn't have the Trump appointed judges willing to overturn Roe v Wade.

Come on now, if Clinton won in 2016 against Trump the Republican held House and Senate would have rammed through impeachment proceedings at the earliest opportunity.

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by VlaSoul » Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:24 pm

Moggy wrote:
VlaSoul wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:
Hexx wrote:
Memento Mori wrote:Roe V Wade is dead then.

twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1466088658092670976



I’m sure those that couldn’t bring themselves to vote Clinton in 2016 will admit their culpability

The Democrats could do something about this right now.

they probably won't because they're also conservatives and often very religious
which is the fallacy of saying that not voting clinton makes you responsible


If Clinton had won in 2016, do you think the judges she appointed would have been willing to overturn Roe v Wade?

depends on how hard she wanted to lean into the liberal voter base vs the conservative one
2016 was pretty close so I could see her doing something like that with the reasoning that it returns power to the states to decide given enough pressure from conservative states and lobby groups. I mean realistically probably not because overturning roe vs wade seems like it's not worth the effort anyway

also yes do you see the dems doing like anything about trump era policy now?

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by speedboatchase » Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:34 pm

Moggy wrote:
speedboatchase wrote:
Memento Mori wrote:Roe V Wade is dead then.

twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1466088658092670976



The guy has since rolled this tweet back a bit by saying it's just his prediction. It may very likely come true, but this really feeds into the outrage feedback loop of Twitter - hide your prediction as a seemingly factual development, couched in the most alarmist language possible on social media to enrage users or cause panic. I understand if a tweet like that helps to galvanise grassroots protest etc, but leave that to activists rather than reporters. Reminds me of how people sharing false images of the Australian bush fires last year didn't mind their misinformation as long as it caused a reaction.

EDIT - it seems the tweet was deleted


I can't see what was wrong with the tweet.

The Supreme Court will look at Roe v Wade: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59340789.amp

Kavanaugh has signalled he wants to overturn it: https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/liv ... ics-latest

The Republicans outnumber the Democrats on the Supreme Court and they have also suggested they will be willing to overturn it: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ion-rights

How does the tweet in anyway compare to false images of bush fires?


Well, the writer did. In his words: 'Too many people interpreted this tweet as a statement of fact rather than a prediction—understandably—so I've deleted it.'

Imo, it was written as though the submission of the case triggers x and y - as though these were legal consequences, rather than a personal prediction. Similarly (again, my opinion) many viral posts about bush fires last year contained imagery that wasn't from either 2020 or Australia. In both cases, you end up with something much more explosive and liable to go viral.

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Moggy » Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:37 pm

Cuttooth wrote:Come on now, if Clinton won in 2016 against Trump the Republican held House and Senate would have rammed through impeachment proceedings at the earliest opportunity.


And they'd have failed. And even if they somehow succeeded, we'd have had President Kaine who still wouldn't have appointed the Trump/anti-abortion judges.

VlaSoul wrote:depends on how hard she wanted to lean into the liberal voter base vs the conservative one
2016 was pretty close so I could see her doing something like that with the reasoning that it returns power to the states to decide given enough pressure from conservative states and lobby groups.


Not a chance in hell.

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Photek » Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:13 am

Warning - This is Very Hard to watch. Cop shoots disabled man in motorized wheelchair 9 times in the back at point blank range for slowly moving away when he ordered him to stop for allegedly stealing from a Wallmart.



The cop has been fired but he should go to court for Murder.

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Peter Crisp » Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:23 am

Tomous wrote:Long-term it won't matter if their attempts to rig the system are successful


Republicans don't even try to hide it anymore.
They gerrymander areas so they pretty much can't lose and just to top it off they just flat out suppress the vote by enacting archaic rules about voting and who can vote.
The long lines to vote seen in the US because Republicans have shut voting places should be a total scandal but Americans seem to just give up and accept it.

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Tineash » Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:31 am

VlaSoul wrote:
Moggy wrote:
VlaSoul wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:
Hexx wrote:
Memento Mori wrote:Roe V Wade is dead then.

twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1466088658092670976



I’m sure those that couldn’t bring themselves to vote Clinton in 2016 will admit their culpability

The Democrats could do something about this right now.

they probably won't because they're also conservatives and often very religious
which is the fallacy of saying that not voting clinton makes you responsible


If Clinton had won in 2016, do you think the judges she appointed would have been willing to overturn Roe v Wade?

depends on how hard she wanted to lean into the liberal voter base vs the conservative one
2016 was pretty close so I could see her doing something like that with the reasoning that it returns power to the states to decide given enough pressure from conservative states and lobby groups. I mean realistically probably not because overturning roe vs wade seems like it's not worth the effort anyway

also yes do you see the dems doing like anything about trump era policy now?


What? This is dumb as gooseberry fool. You are dumb as gooseberry fool. I can't sugarcoat it, sorry bro

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Memento Mori » Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:36 am

Yeah there's no scenario whatsoever where President Hillary Clinton would nominate anti-abortion judges to the supreme court. Literally none.

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by VlaSoul » Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:43 am

Tineash wrote:
VlaSoul wrote:
Moggy wrote:
VlaSoul wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:
Hexx wrote:
Memento Mori wrote:Roe V Wade is dead then.

twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1466088658092670976



I’m sure those that couldn’t bring themselves to vote Clinton in 2016 will admit their culpability

The Democrats could do something about this right now.

they probably won't because they're also conservatives and often very religious
which is the fallacy of saying that not voting clinton makes you responsible


If Clinton had won in 2016, do you think the judges she appointed would have been willing to overturn Roe v Wade?

depends on how hard she wanted to lean into the liberal voter base vs the conservative one
2016 was pretty close so I could see her doing something like that with the reasoning that it returns power to the states to decide given enough pressure from conservative states and lobby groups. I mean realistically probably not because overturning roe vs wade seems like it's not worth the effort anyway

also yes do you see the dems doing like anything about trump era policy now?


What? This is dumb as gooseberry fool. You are dumb as gooseberry fool. I can't sugarcoat it, sorry bro

yeah fair enough lmao

wait this is a politics thread so uh
no u

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Nibble » Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:15 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:
Tomous wrote:Long-term it won't matter if their attempts to rig the system are successful


Republicans don't even try to hide it anymore.
They gerrymander areas so they pretty much can't lose and just to top it off they just flat out suppress the vote by enacting archaic rules about voting and who can vote.
The long lines to vote seen in the US because Republicans have shut voting places should be a total scandal but Americans seem to just give up and accept it.


We're at the stage now where a lot of Republicans will just openly state, with neither evidence nor shame, that if they win an election it was fair and that if they lose it it was rigged.

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Photek » Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:20 pm

I've lost all support of pretty much all US politics. Apart from a handful of democrats they're all banana splits.

Biden's continued Trumps American Exceptionalism bullshit and sending weapons to Israel was the last straw as far as I'm concerned.

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PostRe: US Politics 3
by Moggy » Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:28 pm

Photek wrote:I've lost all support of pretty much all US politics. Apart from a handful of democrats they're all banana splits.

Biden's continued Trumps American Exceptionalism bullshit and sending weapons to Israel was the last straw as far as I'm concerned.


I don't think anybody will disagree there. The Republican Party is a party of utter banana splits. The Democrat Party is a party of slightly lesser banana splits, but still banana splits.

Two party systems suck.


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