US Politics 3

PostRe: US Politics 3 by **RetroCora** » Thu May 05, 2022 12:41 pm

Cuttooth wrote:I'm certainly not disputing that things were less polarised in the 60s and 70s, Nixon resigned because Republican senators were going to carry through with impeachment proceedings after all, but I do question whether it's quite a romanticised view that Republican members of Congress at the time, or Republicans in general, were above dirty politics to get their way. I'll obviously concede to Cora's knowledge though!

OrangeRKN wrote:Personally I don't see anything undemocratic about lifetime political appointments to the courts

Cuttooth wrote:I don't think it's unfair to say the Democrats have a prolonged history of acting against their, and their voters, interests.

I don't think there is much overlap between the Democrats' interests and their voters' interests tbf

I think it could be argued that the Democrats have been much less effective at delivering for their voters since the Civil Rights era than the Republicans have for conservative voters. To the point that the typical Democrat voter now has much less influence on who runs the country and what happens in it than the typical Republican voter.

Republicans have been openly saying they're coming for Roe v Wade for decades and still the Democrats are caught by surprise and held up by their own supposed members.

To answer the bolded part, there's no question that dirty politics was a thing during the 1960s and 70s. The problem was that both parties were involved in it, so neither could grass the other up publicly! Nixon cops an awful lot of abuse for keeping meticulous recordings of his time in office, but nobody really bats an eyelid that his predecessor did exactly the same thing!

PostRe: US Politics 3 by **Photek** » Thu May 05, 2022 1:38 pm

I'm not a fan of TYT at all these days but Anna Kasparian's outbursts about this have been excellent, she encapsulates the futility and anger most American's feel. She's also pretty hot tbh....

PostRe: US Politics 3 by **Knoyleo** » Thu May 05, 2022 2:23 pm

Amazing

PostRe: US Politics 3 by **Moggy** » Tue May 10, 2022 8:12 am

twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1523878629758939136

"If you are raped by your own father I'll force you to give birth to the child, but LEAVE MY SIDEWALK FREE OF CHALK!"

PostRe: US Politics 3 by **Moggy** » Tue May 10, 2022 8:14 am

twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1523823822838898689

Wankers

PostRe: US Politics 3 by **Cuttooth** » Tue May 10, 2022 8:30 am

twitter.com/CNN/status/1523905939748839424

Democrats are going to start attacking protesters then get surprised when people give up on them.

PostRe: US Politics 3 by **Moggy** » Tue May 10, 2022 8:42 am

Cuttooth wrote:

twitter.com/CNN/status/1523905939748839424

Democrats are going to start attacking protesters then get surprised when people give up on them.

Good, we wouldn't want to risk a judge sustaining a nasty chalk injury.

PostRe: US Politics 3 by **Preezy** » Tue May 10, 2022 2:19 pm

All kinda feels like America is sort of coming apart at the seams a little.

PostRe: US Politics 3 by **captain red dog** » Tue May 10, 2022 9:07 pm

It always surprises me when you see US right wing talking heads complaining that they are sending another $40bn to Ukraine when people back home can't afford to feed their kids.

As if the American right would ever believe that money should be spent on welfare for the poorest in their own country! :lol:

PostRe: US Politics 3 by **Tomous** » Tue May 10, 2022 11:12 pm

captain red dog wrote:It always surprises me when you see US right wing talking heads complaining that they are sending another $40bn to Ukraine when people back home can't afford to feed their kids.

As if the American right would ever believe that money should be spent on welfare for the poorest in their own country!

Exactly the same happens here.

Anytime we send aid somewhere you get the usual suspects shouting "how about we help people in our own country first!" before repeatedly voting Tory

PostRe: US Politics 3 by **Moggy** » Wed May 11, 2022 6:38 am

twitter.com/hawleymo/status/1524013754333159424

Those Republicans sure hate cancel culture. :lol:

PostRe: US Politics 3 by **Lex-Man** » Wed May 11, 2022 8:54 am

Preezy wrote:All kinda feels like America is sort of coming apart at the seams a little.

Honestly I feel that it would be good for the world if it did.

PostRe: US Politics 3 by **Xeno** » Wed May 11, 2022 9:52 am

Moggy wrote:

twitter.com/hawleymo/status/1524013754333159424

Those Republicans sure hate cancel culture.

Hawley is about to feel some pain, The mouse will be coming for him.

PostRe: US Politics 3 by **Photek** » Wed May 11, 2022 10:22 am

What special copyright protections does Disney have?

PostRe: US Politics 3 by **Lex-Man** » Wed May 11, 2022 10:32 am

I mean the Republicans are taking away these things for the wrong reason but they really shouldn't have them.

PostRe: US Politics 3 by **Tomous** » Wed May 11, 2022 10:45 am

Photek wrote:What special copyright protections does Disney have?

Basically they keep extending copyright limits so Mickey Mouse and co don't go into public ownership. I don't believe they are specific to Disney but they are the driving force in ~~bribing~~ lobbying politicians to extend copyright term limits. Obviously a lot of their characters (and Marvel too) are pretty old now and would no longer be copyrighted if they didn't keep getting the term length increased.

PostRe: US Politics 3 by **Photek** » Wed May 11, 2022 10:46 am

Tomous wrote:
Photek wrote:What special copyright protections does Disney have?

Basically they keep extending copyright limits so Mickey Mouse and co don't go into public ownership. I don't believe they are specific to Disney but they are the driving force in ~~bribing~~ lobbying politicians to extend copyright term limits. Obviously a lot of their characters (and Marvel too) are pretty old now and would no longer be copyrighted if they didn't keep getting the term length increased.

I thought was only music......What's the craic with Spiderman then?

PostRe: US Politics 3 by **Moggy** » Wed May 11, 2022 10:47 am

Photek wrote:What special copyright protections does Disney have?

None specific to Disney. The special copyright apples to all companies, it basically keeps their stuff out of public domain for longer than it would have at the time of the IP creation.

Republicans are so angry at Disney that they are proposing allowing anything 56 years old to enter public domain. :lol:

PostRe: US Politics 3 by **Tomous** » Wed May 11, 2022 10:52 am

Photek wrote:
Tomous wrote:
Photek wrote:What special copyright protections does Disney have?

Basically they keep extending copyright limits so Mickey Mouse and co don't go into public ownership. I don't believe they are specific to Disney but they are the driving force in ~~bribing~~ lobbying politicians to extend copyright term limits. Obviously a lot of their characters (and Marvel too) are pretty old now and would no longer be copyrighted if they didn't keep getting the term length increased.

I thought was only music......What's the craic with Spiderman then?

Same as with Mickey, if they put 56 limits in Spider-man (created in 1962) would go into public ownership.

PostRe: US Politics 3 by **RetroCora** » Wed May 11, 2022 10:58 am

Photek wrote:
Tomous wrote:
Photek wrote:What special copyright protections does Disney have?

Basically they keep extending copyright limits so Mickey Mouse and co don't go into public ownership. I don't believe they are specific to Disney but they are the driving force in ~~bribing~~ lobbying politicians to extend copyright term limits. Obviously a lot of their characters (and Marvel too) are pretty old now and would no longer be copyrighted if they didn't keep getting the term length increased.

I thought was only music......What's the craic with Spiderman then?

There's no specific issue with Spider-Man in terms of this kind of copyright *yet* - the limit is 90 years and Spider-Man is just over 60. The copyright problems with him are that Marvel sold his movie rights to Sony in the 1990s without putting any provisos in for taking him back if they made it big in the film industry, so now trying to get permission to use their own character in a movie is a giant clusterfuck.

The only character who is starting to look a bit ropey on the copyright front is probably Captain America, who is 81 and will enter the public domain in about ten years without extended copyright protections.

The 56 year limit thing won't get near going through, I don't think. Disney won't be the only company who receive a shafting off the back of it.

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