US Politics 3

Alvin Flummux wrote:You can't mistake a gun for a taser. They feel completely different, and they're located on opposite sides of the body. She must have been in a blind panic, which seems like the default emotional state police officers are trained to be in nowadays.

This is criminally negligent manslaughter and similar cases have landed officers in prison. I don't know if she'll serve time, but she should.

It was blind panic in my opinion. I think in this case, it's a combination of factors. Proliferation of guns causing mass panic, racial profiling, lack of descalation tactics, poor training etc.

I believe the guy stopped may have had an outstanding warrant which meant the detainment was legit. However, people in the US, particularly constitutionalists need to understand that resisting arrest or an outstanding warrant does not in any jurisdiction mean a death sentence. Lethal force should only be used when there is immediate risk to the life of officers or the public, which there doesn't seem to be in this situation.

Mistaking a gun for a tazer seems utterly baffling to me, but this also goes down to the militarization of the police. I can see lots of failings here. Why didn't the police move him away from the door of his car, close the door and remove the keys?

I see no reason why in these kinds of cases, they need to deploy lethal force. What was the worst that could have happened, the guy drove off? They follow him and if necessary sent a specialised unit to arrest him when he gets home.

I also think reform of the police is unfairly derided sometimes. From everything I have seen, the police don't seem to have been reformed since well before even Rodney King. I guess its down to complete paralysis in the US political system, but something needs to be done.

She didn't need to be in a panic though as they could have let him get in his car and if they drove off follow/chase, this is to do with training imo.

captain red dog wrote:Lethal force should only be used when there is immediate risk to the life of officers or the public, which there doesn't seem to be in this situation.

That's where the proliferation of guns, trained fear, trained firearm irresponsibility and racial profiling all come in:

Everybody is presumed to be heavily armed, officers seem to be trained to believe that their lives are in immediate danger every time they interact with a member of the public (the perceived degree of risk determined by race), laws regarding officers' use of firearms have been relaxed over the years — at least in some states, I'm not sure about the federal level — and police attitudes regarding their use appear to have moved significantly toward the unrestricted.

A lot of it is training, sure, but some of it is legislative; I believe at one point there were laws about when and how firearms were deployed. Didn't stop cops from routinely murdering black people, though - Fred Hampton, etc. Also, even if you fix the training and the law, there's still endemic racism and misogyny, and whether training is done in-house or at, say, a local community college, as is common outside cities.

The cop who killed Duante Wright has been arrested on suspicion of second-degree manslaughter which as far as my research has found, carries a maximum of 10 years imprisonment.

Another body-cam from an officer involved shooting and subsequent death: spoilered for graphic content



Honestly, being a cop in America is the very definition of a poisoned chalice. That channel is full of body-worn camera footage of cops being threatened (AND cops acting well-outwith the bounds of which their authority permits).

In effort to counter-act the depressing video above, the below video of a Cop writing an entitled woman a traffic ticket is fairly satisfying

Prototype wrote:The cop who killed Duante Wright has been arrested on suspicion of second-degree manslaughter which as far as my research has found, carries a maximum of 10 years imprisonment.

Another body-cam from an officer involved shooting and subsequent death: spoilered for graphic content

Honestly, being a cop in America is the very definition of a poisoned chalice. That channel is full of body-worn camera footage of cops being threatened (AND cops acting well-outwith the bounds of which their authority permits).

In effort to counter-act the depressing video above, the below video of a Cop writing an entitled woman a traffic ticket is fairly satisfying

That first channel is very interesting Prototype, thanks.

I got linked to the video involving Caren Z Turner through that. Fun little video.

twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/1382483237394612225

Matt Gaetz is one weird looking dude.

Must be organic salad.

I seen that footage of the guy being accidently shot. It's nuts.

You can tell all of them were completely shocked at what happened. Two of the officers looked completely terrified after the act. The black police officer that comes in from the right is clearly becoming distressed in processing the situation.

She strawberry floated up terribly.

Squinty wrote:I seen that footage of the guy being accidently shot. It's nuts.

You can tell all of them were completely shocked at what happened. Two of the officers looked completely terrified after the act. The black police officer that comes in from the right is clearly becoming distressed in processing the situation.

She strawberry floated up terribly.

Agreed. And I think she'll do time for it.

You cannot be that negligent when your duties involve carrying deadly weapons AND expect to keep your qualified immunity.

There's a tiny sliver of me that actually makes me feel a bit sorry for the woman.

Mainly because I think the death is such a slam-dunk case of negligent incompetence that the case will be politicised in a way that will result in her having the proverbial book thrown at her to try and make the case that 'See? We don't just indiscriminately murder black people with no comeuppance for the killer, we punished the strawberry float outta that one lady so please stop protesting'. And the usual suspects will get in line to use it as evidence that there isn't actually a structural, systemic problem with the police because they jailed that one woman.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not excusing her crime or saying that she doesn't deserve every bit of the gooseberry fool storm coming her way, but I feel like this is gonna be a one-off book throwing that will be used to whitewash (hah) the rest of the issues.

What video is this?

Drumstick wrote:What video is this?

Skarjo wrote:There's a tiny sliver of me that actually makes me feel a bit sorry for the woman.

Mainly because I think the death is such a slam-dunk case of negligent incompetence that the case will be politicised in a way that will result in her having the proverbial book thrown at her to try and make the case that 'See? We don't just indiscriminately murder black people with no comeuppance for the killer, we punished the strawberry float outta that one lady so please stop protesting'. And the usual suspects will get in line to use it as evidence that there isn't actually a structural, systemic problem with the police because they jailed that one woman.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not excusing her crime or saying that she doesn't deserve every bit of the gooseberry fool storm coming her way, but I feel like this is gonna be a one-off book throwing that will be used to whitewash (hah) the rest of the issues.

I feel a bit sorry for her as it seems like she didn't mean to kill the guy. That said she did kill the guy and should face consequences.

Lex-Man wrote:

Skarjo wrote:There's a tiny sliver of me that actually makes me feel a bit sorry for the woman.

Mainly because I think the death is such a slam-dunk case of negligent incompetence that the case will be politicised in a way that will result in her having the proverbial book thrown at her to try and make the case that 'See? We don't just indiscriminately murder black people with no comeuppance for the killer, we punished the strawberry float outta that one lady so please stop protesting'. And the usual suspects will get in line to use it as evidence that there isn't actually a structural, systemic problem with the police because they jailed that one woman.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not excusing her crime or saying that she doesn't deserve every bit of the gooseberry fool storm coming her way, but I feel like this is gonna be a one-off book throwing that will be used to whitewash (hah) the rest of the issues.

I feel a bit sorry for her as it seems like she didn't mean to kill the guy. That said she did kill the guy and should face consequences.

I agree with this. You can tell by her reaction that she didn't intend to do that. But it's done, and a guy is dead because of it.

Kid shot dead by a police officer in Chicago.

Squinty wrote:Kid shot dead by a police officer in Chicago.

Freeze frame shows a gun but then the kid puts his hands up with no gun in sight. Murica.

There's footage from another angle. You can see him throw something behind a fence. Presumably that's the gun.

News reports are saying he was given the gun by older kid he was with.

You could ask the question why the kid was out at that time with someone else who had a gun. But it doesn't really matter. Seems like another officer error.