US Politics 3

Albear wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:This is why I repeatedly say it's a completely different place to here and we shouldn't judge the US by our standards.

Why? I think it's perfectly reasonable to judge them for their insane gun laws and their trigger happy police.

Do you think one is related to the other?

It’s an insane place. Their laws and law enforcement is relevant to and a product of their society and how it’s developed over the years. I don’t see any turning back for them.

Moggy wrote:

Albear wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:This is why I repeatedly say it's a completely different place to here and we shouldn't judge the US by our standards.

Why? I think it's perfectly reasonable to judge them for their insane gun laws and their trigger happy police.

Do you think one is related to the other?

Of course. It doesn't excuse them treating people like gooseberry fool or them murdering unarmed people.

Look at the way they treat the army guy. It's damn clear he doesn't have a weapon and they still act like power mad banana splits.

Of course, I completly agree. There are absolutly incidents of police abuse etc in the US as well as the UK.

However I believe the point RTOS was making was that when the average UK cop stops a car he's not expecting to face an automatic Rifle, when that is very much a possibility for a US Cop,

Moggy wrote:

Albear wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:This is why I repeatedly say it's a completely different place to here and we shouldn't judge the US by our standards.

Why? I think it's perfectly reasonable to judge them for their insane gun laws and their trigger happy police.

Do you think one is related to the other?

Of course. It doesn't excuse them treating people like gooseberry fool or them murdering unarmed people.

Look at the way they treat the army guy. It's damn clear he doesn't have a weapon and they still act like power mad banana splits.

I'm not trying to wind you up, this is a discussion board after all... but why didnt the guy get out the car in the previous video?

If I've got guns pointed at me by anyone, no matter how much I think i'm in the right, I'm going to comply with someone who has a gun pointed at my head.

Albear wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Albear wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:This is why I repeatedly say it's a completely different place to here and we shouldn't judge the US by our standards.

Why? I think it's perfectly reasonable to judge them for their insane gun laws and their trigger happy police.

Do you think one is related to the other?

Of course. It doesn't excuse them treating people like gooseberry fool or them murdering unarmed people.

Look at the way they treat the army guy. It's damn clear he doesn't have a weapon and they still act like power mad banana splits.

Of course, I completly agree. There are absolutly incidents of police abuse etc in the US as well as the UK.

However I believe the point RTOS was making was that when the average UK cop stops a car he's not expecting to face an automatic Rifle, when that is very much a possibility for a US Cop,

Oh I understood his point.

But I don't think that means we can't judge them.

Albear wrote:However I believe the point RTOS was making was that when the average UK cop stops a car he's not expecting to face an automatic Rifle, when that is very much a possibility for a US Cop,

Precisely.

Rightly or wrongly, I don't see how a police officer in the States doesn't approach a traffic stop with heightened anxiety. If someone refuses to step out of the car, it's fair to assume they may be hiding something... again, depending on whether they're in a state where concealed permits or open carries or both are in play.

I'm not saying it gives cops carte blanche to act like power-mad banana splits, as you (Moggy) say, and they definitely exist... but the 2A, for me, is why they approach all interactions looking to establish control as quickly as they can.

I highly recommend that Police Activity channel btw. It shows all body cam footage released and shows the good and bad of American policing. You can tell the bodycam footage being released in a lot of shootings prevents riots on the streets.

Prototype wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Albear wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:This is why I repeatedly say it's a completely different place to here and we shouldn't judge the US by our standards.

Why? I think it's perfectly reasonable to judge them for their insane gun laws and their trigger happy police.

Do you think one is related to the other?

Of course. It doesn't excuse them treating people like gooseberry fool or them murdering unarmed people.

Look at the way they treat the army guy. It's damn clear he doesn't have a weapon and they still act like power mad banana splits.

I'm not trying to wind you up, this is a discussion board after all... but why didnt the guy get out the car in the previous video?

If I've got guns pointed at me by anyone, no matter how much I think i'm in the right, I'm going to comply with someone who has a gun pointed at my head.

Because he was terrified that he was going to be gunned down?

Listen to what he's saying, he's scared (which doesn't help people make good decisions), he's asking why they have stopped him etc etc.

There's just no need for the police to behave like that.

Prototype wrote:
I'm not trying to wind you up, this is a discussion board after all... but why didnt the guy get out the car in the previous video?

If I've got guns pointed at me by anyone, no matter how much I think i'm in the right, I'm going to comply with someone who has a gun pointed at my head.

A lot of people on the political threads have forgotten this over the past few months.

Albear wrote:It's awful. Ive seen so many videos similiar to that. The sooner they ban gun ownership in America the better.

Bans aren't going to work without an accompanying shift in the public opinion on firearms. Even the most effective measures won't be worth a dime if there isn't buy-in from traditionally pro-gun demographics - groups currently heavily influenced by the NRA and the firearm industry mouthpieces on Fox.

Massachusetts makes it work, but only because the people support it.

https://www.vox.com/2018/11/13/17658028 ... s-licenses

Police shot and killed a man by mistaking their own gun for the tazer. I repeat, the police officer fired their gun, mistaking it for a tazer:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56714346

You couldn't make it up.

Third-world country.

captain red dog wrote:Police shot and killed a man by mistaking their own gun for the tazer. I repeat, the police officer fired their gun, mistaking it for a tazer:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56714346

You couldn't make it up.

I don't need to click the link to know the man was Black.

captain red dog wrote:Police shot and killed a man by mistaking their own gun for the tazer. I repeat, the police officer fired their gun, mistaking it for a tazer:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56714346

You couldn't make it up.

Just outside Minneapolis as well.

Prototype wrote:

captain red dog wrote:Police shot and killed a man by mistaking their own gun for the tazer. I repeat, the police officer fired their gun, mistaking it for a tazer:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56714346

You couldn't make it up.

Just outside Minneapolis as well.

You need to put mistook in quotes.

Moggy wrote:

captain red dog wrote:Police shot and killed a man by mistaking their own gun for the tazer. I repeat, the police officer fired their gun, mistaking it for a tazer:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56714346

You couldn't make it up.

I don't need to click the link to know the man was Black.

The victim wasn't shocked either

You can't mistake a gun for a taser. They feel completely different, and they're located on opposite sides of the body. She must have been in a blind panic, which seems like the default emotional state police officers are trained to be in nowadays.

This is criminally negligent manslaughter and similar cases have landed officers in prison. I don't know if she'll serve time, but she should.

OrangeRKN wrote:

Moggy wrote:

captain red dog wrote:Police shot and killed a man by mistaking their own gun for the tazer. I repeat, the police officer fired their gun, mistaking it for a tazer:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56714346

You couldn't make it up.

I don't need to click the link to know the man was Black.

The victim wasn't shocked either

If that pun was intended, that's cold man.

People: DEFUND THE POLICE!!

NYPD:

twitter.com/1800SPOILED/status/1381755654164074498

It's as if people aren't even aware of Boston Dynamics

Preezy wrote:It's as if people aren't even aware of Boston Dynamics

I think people are. They just weren't aware that the NYPD were using them to recreate the start of a Terminator movie.

Moggy wrote:People: DEFUND THE POLICE!!

NYPD:

twitter.com/1800SPOILED/status/1381755654164074498

I don't even know what the police would need one for, other than to intimidate the general public .