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Re: Watchmen - Offical Thread - USE SPOILER TAGS!

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:09 pm
by Parksey
Mogster wrote:
Parksey wrote:Saying that, the music later just seemed a bit uninspired. I'd predicted All Along The Watchtower would show up way before it actually did.

So did Alan Moore. Each issue of the comic ends on a quote, from which the title of the issue is taken. The corresponding issue to that sequence was "Two Riders Were Approaching...", and guess what the quote was from. ;)


That was in 1985 though; we've had 20 years of these songs being used for every 60s and 70s montage since.

It's starting to happen to the 80s now and one day we'll all be watching 90s sequences laced with Billie Piper's "Honey to the B".

Re: Watchmen - Offical Thread - USE SPOILER TAGS!

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:16 pm
by Mogster
Parksey wrote:
Mogster wrote:
Parksey wrote:Saying that, the music later just seemed a bit uninspired. I'd predicted All Along The Watchtower would show up way before it actually did.

So did Alan Moore. Each issue of the comic ends on a quote, from which the title of the issue is taken. The corresponding issue to that sequence was "Two Riders Were Approaching...", and guess what the quote was from. ;)


That was in 1985 though; we've had 20 years of these songs being used for every 60s and 70s montage since.

Well yes, but I'm just saying it wasn't just a lazy choice. It made me smile at least.

Re: Watchmen - Offical Thread - USE SPOILER TAGS!

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:22 pm
by Parksey
Mogster wrote:
Parksey wrote:
Mogster wrote:
Parksey wrote:Saying that, the music later just seemed a bit uninspired. I'd predicted All Along The Watchtower would show up way before it actually did.

So did Alan Moore. Each issue of the comic ends on a quote, from which the title of the issue is taken. The corresponding issue to that sequence was "Two Riders Were Approaching...", and guess what the quote was from. ;)


That was in 1985 though; we've had 20 years of these songs being used for every 60s and 70s montage since.

Well yes, but I'm just saying it wasn't just a lazy choice. It made me smile at least.


So, was that the same reason Dylan played over the opening credits? Because I've seen a few reviews which criticise the lack of imagination for that, too.

Re: Watchmen - Offical Thread - USE SPOILER TAGS!

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:26 pm
by FatDaz
chalkitdown wrote:
FatDaz wrote:The bad guy was actually one of the good guys? but he tried to kill off the good guys? why? It was never explained why he wanted to kill them off. I also thought Dr Manhattan killing Rorsarch a bit random and out of no where.


He blew up all those cities to stop the US & Russia from having a nuclear war and destroying the world. Manhatten killed Rorshach because he was gonna tell the world what Veidt had done. Veidt also had the Comedian and Hollis Mason killed because they were too close to finding out what he was up to.

Were you half asleep at the end, by any chance? ;)


Perhaps I didnt explain myself very well. I did follow the plot, it just felt like it came out of nowhere 2 hours into the film.
As others have since mentioned. I just didnt think there was much of an over arking threat or villain. The main "bad" guy was obviously the mastermind right from the start. Each character had a flashback section or exposition about who they are and why they are how they are. The main guy - (is it ozzymandias? i didnt even catch his name) has no explanation. All we know is he is clever and revealed his identity. The final section felt rushed as a conclusion and drawn out as a piece of film making. The "threat" was revealed far too late and the spewing monologues were tedious.

This makes it sound like I hated the film. I didnt, its just these cool characters didnt really do much at the end of the film. The focus was too much on Dr Manhatten. The film would have been better served by splitting it into 2 segements like kill bill. This would have kept running time down but allowed them to play up the threat of war and given a real objective to the finale. The background stories and flashback sections were brilliant and introduced the characters really well. Its just the final Villain didnt have this introduction or exposition. Even after the film ended i really didnt know anything about him. His motives were good but the character was cold detached and unlikeable (not as a villain but simply as a film character) I truly couldnt give a rats arse about him or his scheming.


Give me a Rorsach detective PI spin off story and id be happy!

Re: Watchmen - Offical Thread - USE SPOILER TAGS!

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:40 pm
by Mogster
Parksey wrote:
Mogster wrote:
Parksey wrote:
Mogster wrote:
Parksey wrote:Saying that, the music later just seemed a bit uninspired. I'd predicted All Along The Watchtower would show up way before it actually did.

So did Alan Moore. Each issue of the comic ends on a quote, from which the title of the issue is taken. The corresponding issue to that sequence was "Two Riders Were Approaching...", and guess what the quote was from. ;)


That was in 1985 though; we've had 20 years of these songs being used for every 60s and 70s montage since.

Well yes, but I'm just saying it wasn't just a lazy choice. It made me smile at least.


So, was that the same reason Dylan played over the opening credits? Because I've seen a few reviews which criticise the lack of imagination for that, too.

Err, no? :|

You said you predicted AATW turning up, calling it "uninspired". I thought you might have been interested to know that there was a very good reason for it. In fact:

That particular issue ends with Rorshach and Nite Owl riding (they're on hover scooter things in the comic) up to Ozymandias' retreat, just before the quote, which is the exact verse used at the same scene in the movie. It was genuinely very well done.


What you think of the soundtrack is up to you. I thought every choice was perfect myself, and whether or not you think it unimaginative, "The Times They Are A Changing" worked brilliantly.

Re: Watchmen - Offical Thread - USE SPOILER TAGS!

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:42 pm
by Parksey
I wasn't having a go, or anything - I just thought maybe all the song choices in the movie had already been suggested by panels in the comic book, so that my original criticism of some "uninspired" choices, was a fault of the book not the movie.

Re: Watchmen - Offical Thread - USE SPOILER TAGS!

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:31 pm
by Tragic Magic
I just got the comic so I'll start reading it tonight. But my copy has this cover:

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But is there any difference in content between that version and the version with this cover:

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Any reason for a different cover? I'd like to know if I have a crap/better version or if they're just the same.

Re: Watchmen - Offical Thread - USE SPOILER TAGS!

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:35 pm
by Irene Demova
Think that's new art by gibbons to promote the movie, tell me what happens on page 1 and I'll tell you if there's any change

Re: Watchmen - Offical Thread - USE SPOILER TAGS!

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:43 pm
by Tragic Magic
HumourousName wrote:Think that's new art by gibbons to promote the movie, tell me what happens on page 1 and I'll tell you if there's any change


Pool of blood on the pavement with smily face by drain. Someone's fallen from a high window, judging from the pictures. And it starts "Rorschach's journal".

I'm really excited about reading this now. It better be good! :mrgreen:

And how do you actually pronounce Rorschach? Is it like Raw-skartch?

Re: Watchmen - Offical Thread - USE SPOILER TAGS!

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:44 pm
by Cuttooth
Raw-shack.

Re: Watchmen - Offical Thread - USE SPOILER TAGS!

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:49 pm
by Irene Demova
yeah you're fine tragic just a different edition/cover to my one (the other you posted)

Re: Watchmen - Offical Thread - USE SPOILER TAGS!

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:58 pm
by Tragic Magic
Cuttooth wrote:Raw-shack.


Cheers, my dear.

HumourousName wrote:yeah you're fine tragic just a different edition/cover to my one (the other you posted)


Thanks, guv.

Ooh, I'm ever so excited guys. I reckon I'll start reading it this very night! :D :D :D

Re: Watchmen - Offical Thread - USE SPOILER TAGS!

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:10 pm
by BAKA
Saw the film today and really enjoyed it. Very dark. Surprisingly I've never actually read the graphic novel, so i'll be rushing out to get that.

Re: Watchmen - Offical Thread - USE SPOILER TAGS!

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:15 pm
by Trelliz
watch this, it is hilarious:

Re: Watchmen - Offical Thread - USE SPOILER TAGS!

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:21 pm
by chalkitdown
Cuttooth wrote:Raw-shack.


They say Roar-Shack in the movie.

Re: Watchmen - Offical Thread - USE SPOILER TAGS!

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:23 pm
by Tragic Magic
chalkitdown wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:Raw-shack.


They say Roar-Shack in the movie.


Raw and roar sound the same. :lol:

Re: Watchmen - Offical Thread - USE SPOILER TAGS!

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:23 pm
by Cuttooth
I say 'raw' and 'roar' identically.

Re: Watchmen - Offical Thread - USE SPOILER TAGS!

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:26 pm
by Irene Demova
trelliz wrote:watch this, it is hilarious:

Massive book spoiler in there, please spoiler it

Re: Watchmen - Offical Thread - USE SPOILER TAGS!

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:30 pm
by Mogster
Tragic Magic wrote:
chalkitdown wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:Raw-shack.


They say Roar-Shack in the movie.


Raw and roar sound the same. :lol:

Indeed. Shame it's pronounced Raw-shark in the book. :P

And yes, the ensemble cover is just the latest edition. It's identical inside.

Re: Watchmen - Offical Thread - USE SPOILER TAGS!

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:32 pm
by Cuttooth
Mogster wrote:Shame it's pronounced Raw-shark in the book. :P


I put that down to a heavy New York accent.
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