The GRcade Tabletop Gaming & Miniature Painting Thread (Warhammer etc)

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by Green Gecko » Fri May 01, 2020 1:50 pm

Lol, yeah I know getting it up into the ferrule is bad, but loading the bristles beyond just the tip isn't wrong either. THe problem comes when people keep doing that for a whole paint session and it starts to dry. If you're loading the brush as opposed to just using the very tip of a 0 brush (which is pointless) you need to clean it pretty often before loading it more than 2 or 3 times max. If you do that, you can prime a mini without watering down a new pot of paint in a couple of minutes, without pooling or losing detail. You just have to put the work in spreading the paint.

What I generally do is load about 2/3rd of a no. 0 brush and then take my time really spreading it thin over a good area of the mini, maybe a surface area of a square inch which is a lot for about 1-2ml of paint. And I have brushes I know perform well for priming (probably watercolour or brushes more intended for acrylic paintings) and then move to my detail brushes.

fwiw I also do one 100% base coat, I don't use seperate primer colours for different parts of the model, as I find that leads to an inconsistent result with random pits of base colour to deal with. I pretty much work up from chaos black 99% of the time, even on light schemes, which takes forever but is worth it for the depth.

At the end of a session I use a small amount of neat washing up liquid and run a brush under hot water for a couple of seconds before shaping the brush. A decent brush cleaning goo is probably better. I have brushes I've used since I was literally 12 years old.

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PostRe: The GRcade Tabletop Gaming & Miniature Painting Thread (Warhammer etc)
by False » Fri May 01, 2020 2:20 pm

Green Gecko wrote:They don't really need watering down out of the pot, you just have to work the paint over a thin area.


I disagree

GW paint especially has a tendency to go on thick and clog details, just the mildest bit of thinning really really helps

especially when you consider that gw sells the base shade base layer highlight method, all of those paints unthinned will just totally drown any micro details

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by Green Gecko » Fri May 01, 2020 2:29 pm

Maybe I am thinking of older paint composition then, or I have already watered them down by virtue of using a wet brush. I do water down the paints by weting the brush first, always, and cleaning the brush repeatedly, but I work it really thin on a pallet (or just the table lol).

I just know when a paint is too thick so probably don't think much of it.

I always shape the brush before use with water and do that every couple of dips in a small amount of paint.

It's just not 100% necessary in every case. Especially if you need the pigment to stand on a darker undercoat.

It's probably also fair to say that the newer minis have insanely high levels of detail and so naturally paint will need to be watered down more. That detail just isn't there in older sculpts and metal models which I still mostly have, if anything the standard paint consistency smooths over some of the errors and smaller voids the cast. I'm talking about gooseberry fool form the mid to early 90s.

I'd definitely thin paint for the newer plastic models, those details dissapear within seconds.

For example the drop zone commander mini I mentioned recently, I've switched to Vajello's airbrush ready grey primer and micro filler for those which must be 10x thinner than GW's paints. They'd be decimated by a coat of abaddon black, I struggled even with that to make sure too much paint wasn't pooling. But they're obviously high detail small models in keeping with the Epic style (it was the same designer as Battlefleet Gothic).

I do think that if you use a really small amount of paint for detail (not base layering) you can get that as thin as you want by working the surface.

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by False » Fri May 01, 2020 2:35 pm

as my boy duncan would say

paint more, thinner layers rather than less, thicker

and hes right

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I dont doubt your skill as a painter one jot, but I would honestly say for a new painter, paint thinner - dont have it so thats its pooling or visibly watery, just soak the bristles very lightly, then mix through paint so its a tiny bit thinner, wash brush, dry on lips or tissue, then do the duncan roll through paint method

I would fully expect a light over a dark to take at least two layers

and again, absolutely dont doubt your skills, but gw has made these videos for beginners using their materials and it really really works as a way to get into the hobby

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PostRe: The GRcade Tabletop Gaming & Miniature Painting Thread (Warhammer etc)
by False » Fri May 01, 2020 2:36 pm

also, trelliz got me onto vallejo brush on primers and they are fantastic, much better than gw brush or spray primers

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by Green Gecko » Fri May 01, 2020 2:42 pm

Lol. Yeah you've nailed the method I use in little words, all those steps that go into paint consistency like wetting the brush, rolling the paint off the brush to remove excess on a scrap surface / pallet, licking the brush to a tip, eating the paint, etc etc

I'll happily recant what I said for a newcomer, there's probably a lot I do without even thinking about it.

There are some situations where I'll actually create texture using neat paint, as an impasto oil painter for example, that doens't surprise me. I do that on tyranids caripaces for example, actually creating detail that was never there before.

I don't think I've ever once take a dry brush, dipped it in paint, and gone on a mini, except when I was maybe 6 years old. Don't do that.

Got to be honest, there's a little wiggle room in this. Sometimes applying a thin coat of paint over and over again achieves nothing. I have a tendency to dilute and mix paints to the extent that each subsequent layer I add is achieving nothing, and continue doing that for hours and hours :dread: so I've got slightly more aggressive with using lighter coats and highlights over the years, then paring back / blending with watered down colours or washes (I do like washes for this purpose) to soften up any harsh transitions in colour.

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by Trelliz » Fri May 01, 2020 2:43 pm

False wrote:also, trelliz got me onto vallejo brush on primers and they are fantastic, much better than gw brush or spray primers


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They are great, but brushing on tends to only really work with the dark/grey primers, the lighter stuff generally has to be airbrushed or it just goes on weird and doesn't dry right. Strangely airbrushed Vallejo primer smells of sweets once it's dry.

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by Green Gecko » Fri May 01, 2020 2:52 pm

I does smell sweet lol, but GW do a bit too. I use the grey one. It's possible to work it too much with a brush and it turns powdery or creates wells/craters, you need to be careful how long you work it for and to let it self-level and dry. You can't cover any mixed coverage while it's half dry or it'll just chalk up and remove itself again. Essentially just "eye dropping" it on with a brush followed by a couple of strokes to thin it out before it starts to dry pretty fast.

The risk of it going slightly powdery is probably due to its ingredients for micro-filling.

First thing I'll try with my airbrush as I don't have anything else thinned to the right consistency already. Will be interesting how it fairs with Tamiya colours as well which are well regarded when thinned for airbrushing, especially their gloss colours which are fantastic for an acrylic. Can go gloopy pretty easily but there's so much pigment in there if you keep care of them they'll go for ages.

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by <]:^D » Fri May 01, 2020 2:53 pm

Duncan Rhodes new youtube channel is very good btw

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PostRe: The GRcade Tabletop Gaming & Miniature Painting Thread (Warhammer etc)
by False » Fri May 01, 2020 3:08 pm

I really like this girls videos



she really cleared up some of the issues I have been having with glazing recently

shes more for advanced techniques than beginners but the theory taught in these can really help overall

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PostRe: The GRcade Tabletop Gaming & Miniature Painting Thread (Warhammer etc)
by Red » Fri May 01, 2020 3:55 pm

https://www.patreon.com/ninjabread also worth a look, but I'm biased.

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by Green Gecko » Fri May 01, 2020 4:50 pm

Not wanting to sound like, "hey I do that too!" as nobody likes that guy. I kind of glaze using a few washes that I know dry semi-glossy, so I'll take a look at that. Thanks!

One thing I really like doing is adding a wet look to puddles, mud etc and some insecty sort of things.

Trouble with any kind of semi-opaque paint is it can both add depth to a mini or completely flatten it if you lay it on too much. I still paint with washes in much the same way that I use other paints, or I dab away the excess. Otherwise you can quickly loose any underlying work you've done building up shades. I tend to notice it happening a lot with greenskins for some reason. Green wash just seems to cancel out greens real easily - which is why I tend to add a bit of yellower hues as well before adding a wash. You can even mix in blue if you want to go full on impressionism. Then you get greeny yellows showing up through a transparent green which really pops.

Edit: strawberry float it looks like I already posted about that 4 years ago, bear in mind I painted the carnifex when I was 13, only the base is "new":

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by False » Fri May 01, 2020 5:40 pm

really like that

my basing game needs to step up

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by Trelliz » Fri May 01, 2020 6:57 pm

I need to up my photo game, but here's some of my efforts:

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PostRe: The GRcade Tabletop Gaming & Miniature Painting Thread (Warhammer etc)
by Knoyleo » Sat May 02, 2020 11:57 am

My Reaper layer up kit arrived this morning, and there's a load of paints in there that will cover bits that are missing from the Space Marine kit, like a silver, some reds, another shade of blue for highlights, etc, so looking forward to getting on with painting them up this weekend with more than just 4 colours.

The guide that comes with the Reaper kit is full on, but really useful, so looking forward to cracking on with that after as well. Unfortunately the bones minis seem to be made out of really soft plastic, so I've got a wizard with a wonky staff, and a pirate with a bendy sword.

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by Green Gecko » Sat May 02, 2020 2:55 pm

False wrote:really like that

my basing game needs to step up

THanks mate, just need to do some of the HQ tyranids models from scratch rather than basing an old one lol

I've done some troops that are dope but took as long as ever. I'm really trying to speed up so I can get an actual unit together for the tyranids, and possibly touch up some older ones. None of them are bad enough that they need stripping, but I switched styles half way, so they need some kind of middle ground applied in terms of mid tones, areas of shadow etc rather than basically solid bleached bone with a bit of brown wash. THe accuracy is generally there but the tone really isn't. Thankfully the caripaces are largely fine.

I also went about getting some decent vintage minis on eBay a while ago, (winded up spending £70 quid :dread:), inc

Old one eye (tyranid carnifex sculpt)
Space marine plastic dreadnaught (needs stripping but was sprayed so isn't hooped)
Elder dreadnought mid 90s
Some chaplain/Sargent marines with cool closes and poses etc, including one lying down shooting for a "last gasp"
And a strawberry floating 12cm high tyranids trygon/mawloc

Good project pieces.

Also have one of the deathwatch(?) genestealers, big one on a pipe in dark blue plastic. I've cleaned up the mould lines then forgot about it. Part of my genestealer cult that currently consists of two models :lol:

That's not touching on my many gen2 and vintage genestealer models (carnifex, two hive tyranids, harpies, Warriors etc), Dark Elves, lead space marines, 1st and 2nd gen plastic kits and a bunch of lead eldar figures.

So little time :dread: maybe I'll get on with something this weekend. For some reason I focused efforts on a Triumph TR4A model I bought for 20p donation outside someone's house a few years ago which is almost finished, I'll post that too as it's an old Airfix 60s kit with a gooseberry fool load of flashing and the worst instructions I've ever seen (just an exploded diagram) managed to get it done with the included colours which are never great.

God the amount of stuff I have left to do outside of the minis front

A 1:10 scale Chevrolet Bel Air (like a foot and a half long) :shock:
Tamiya Ferrari 360 Modena with metalised body
Revel Labroghini Diablo 1:24
Most crazy of all a fibre optic light-up star destroyer from the 70s worth about £100, could pretty much get it done just with the Vajello primer and a bunch of washes, then hang it from the ceiling of my study or some gooseberry fool

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by Green Gecko » Sat May 02, 2020 6:16 pm

quick snaps. omg why even with an SLR and a giant LED cob light do photos look so shite.

Shame I pretty much oblitated carapace detail with this by overdoing the blood red highlights. For some reason, I do the homogaunts way more sketchy looking as that seemed to feature in red dwarf, like they're more violent or something with more toxic looking markings. to my credit, they don't even bother painting the leopard spots on the troops.

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I just glued that together again as it super glue 'sploded into 3 4 parts, hence the weird arm. This is an old mini that was 50% worked up from base coat that I finished, hence it being a bit thick.

The teeth on the 3rd gene plastic troops kits are so poorly moulded they're a banana split to paint as well.

Vintage rogue trader genestealer cultist

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Tried to keep this thin. You can see the texture of the lead underneath so don't think I overdid it, but it could be better. Still not sure about my scheme.

I'll post medium size, if you want to rip into them go here https://imgur.com/gallery/Zw8ywtw, the mould lines even though I swear I clean them up ('nids are a banana split for this because they fall on the carapace where there's an intentional ridge), the the dry paint jobs, :dread: :dread: :dread:

guess it's cos they're 100x IRL, never has been there been a way to disappoint yourself more than photoing minis under light

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by Kezzer » Sat May 02, 2020 10:05 pm

this is the most chill thread on the forum :wub:

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PostRe: The GRcade Tabletop Gaming & Miniature Painting Thread (Warhammer etc)
by Red » Sat May 02, 2020 11:17 pm

My friend never used to cut the mould lines/sprue bits off his 'nids - he just painted them like bits of chitin that jutted out, like they were meant to be there. I suppose they're the only race you could begin to get away with that, but still :dread:

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PostRe: The GRcade Tabletop Gaming & Miniature Painting Thread (Warhammer etc)
by Knoyleo » Sun May 03, 2020 6:56 pm

The boys are coming along nicely

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Got a couple more base colours I want to put down, on the leather and parchment areas mainly, before I go back and tidy up mistakes then put a was on the recesses. Not totally happy with the silver colour, hoping it looks a bit less bright once I've got some wash on it, otherwise I might have to try and cover it up or something. May or may not attempt some edge highlights to finish them off as well.

These 3 guys are taking me a while, but it's fun actually taking my time with this, and properly concentrating on the details, and building up colour in multiple layers. Makes me wonder just what I thought I was doing back in the day when I was trying to get a couple dozen Eldar figures painted up in the space of a week. :lol:

Edit : in other news, there's an Age of Sigmar RTS on the way in 2023

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