The GRcade Tabletop Gaming & Miniature Painting Thread (Warhammer etc)

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PostRe: Which Warhammer army...
by kommissarboris » Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:07 pm

gone are the days of 100% metal valhallan and sisters armies then?

i loved my valhallas and sisters, would be nice to get them in plastic, but now they cost more than the metal models, oh dear.

the expense and the fact the group i hung out with moved on to other things is why i stopped collecting, using 40k rules and 1/72 WW2 armies is alot cheaper, i mean 50 odd soldiers in a box for a flim is too good.

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PostRe: Which Warhammer army...
by Mr Grimm » Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:22 pm

Garth wrote:One of the reasons why they used metal for some minis is because the metal casting process allows for finer detail than plastic, though plastic has come a long way over the years. The Finecast resin plastic allows for even finer detail than metal did, and indeed the quality of the sculpting isn't the issue, it's GW's quality control - many of the Finecast minis suffer from air bubbles that destroy detail on the surface, or air bubbles within the mini that make it more easily broken or even cause the mini to bend and collapse on itself in hot temperatures or direct sunlight, and there has been a shocking amount of miscast parts where the resin plastic hasn't properly filled the entire mould during casting.
Wayland Games, a large independent miniatures retailer, decided to return their entire Finecast shipment back to GW due to random checks revealing an over 50% miscast rate:
http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/games-wor ... t_955.html

One of the other reasons was that it's a lot cheaper to make the moulds for metal miniatures than plastic (I think the moulds for metal are silicone, whereas the one's for plastic figures are big metal things). Mostly metal would be used for one off characters, or niche armies like Sisters of Battle. They seem to be changing their tune now, trying to make large amounts of stuff in plastic. The new Grey Knights are a perfect example of this, as it's now possible to have an entirely plastic army, whereas before it was mostly metal. They also seem more detailed than the old metal ones.

I think special characters will now continue to be made in resin. Not sure about more generic characters though. There's that plastic Space Marine captain, and the Chaos Lord. They've also just released a few fantasy wizards in plastic, so we might start seeing a few more miniatures like that. I'm hoping for a highly customisable plastic Necron Lord.

With regards to the original post, Empire might be pretty good. You get to use the Steam Tank.

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PostRe: Which Warhammer army...
by Ord » Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:46 pm

I've never actually been into the whole table top role playing stuff, but by strawberry float some of those models are brilliant. I have some respect for the people who have painted these tiny models really well. Example
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It's the sort of stuff I would have in a display case.
**shrugs**

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PostRe: Which Warhammer army...
by Tragic Magic » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:10 pm

andretmzt wrote:I remember buying a Land Raider for what, £20 years ago and now its £40? Christ :?


That what I was getting at. I just can't believe they can actually get away with charging that kind of money. And the prices they charge for paints, glue, etc, etc is even more insane.

I feel a bit upset now. I'd love to sit down with some Warhammer and just paint them but you'd have to be that fat couple from the Euro millions to just afford one man.

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PostRe: Which Warhammer army...
by Iron Nan » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:31 pm

Anyone who buys GW paints deserves to know about Vallejo's range, almost identical colours with very similar names for much less in bigger bottles and they use eyedropper bottles so your paints won't dry out from leaving the lids open all the time as you have to with GW's ones. Really, they are fantastic, when I feel like hobbying they're the ones I buy every time.

http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/vallejo-p ... t_103.html

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PostRe: Which Warhammer army...
by False » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:49 pm

Making me want to collect again :x

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PostRe: Which Warhammer army...
by Iron Nan » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:57 pm

Happened to me about a year ago ago thanks to a thread on here. From there it was just a quick dip into GW's site to see if there were any new Ork models, amd oh, would you look at that, there's loads, and they all look fantastic... :lol:

Currently all my stuff is shelved/boxed up due to a double whammy of being out of work and disillusioned with GW.

This thread is already having that same effect on me again. :fp:

Just saw these this morning as well. :fp: :fp:
http://www.impactminiatures.com/index.p ... id=EO_ABOO

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PostRe: Which Warhammer army...
by TheTurnipKing » Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:04 pm

Falsey wrote:Making me want to collect again :x

That's the thing. I really don't.

I wouldn't mind the odd game or two, but all the associated costs... urgh.

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PostRe: Which Warhammer army...
by Iron Nan » Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:09 pm

TheTurnipKing wrote:
Falsey wrote:Making me want to collect again :x

That's the thing. I really don't.

I wouldn't mind the odd game or two, but all the associated costs... urgh.


Find a friendly local, unofficial club. I was attending one in Gravesend for the best part of a year and they're fantastic, you could play any game you want, with any models you want, didn't even have to be painted. No snobs at all, lovely club.

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PostRe: Which Warhammer army...
by kommissarboris » Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:12 pm

TheTurnipKing wrote:
Falsey wrote:Making me want to collect again :x

That's the thing. I really don't.

I wouldn't mind the odd game or two, but all the associated costs... urgh.


go WW2 40k, its cheaper, the rules are online.

£20 and wanting to do a british force, easily could get a churchhill, 2 boxes of 50 infantry, which come with machine guns and mortars, and basically enough for 2 plattoons and an HQ and maybe a bren gun carrier or 2 with 4 pounder guns.

thats why we went with 1/72, i have a german panzer grenadier force and have the basics of a decent sized jap force, even found a jap tank which wasn't easy, both armies are around 1000 to 1500 pts and it plays almost the same as 40k, tweeked slightly for units, certain weapons etc.

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PostRe: Which Warhammer army...
by TheTurnipKing » Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:22 pm

kommissarboris wrote:
TheTurnipKing wrote:
Falsey wrote:Making me want to collect again :x

That's the thing. I really don't.

I wouldn't mind the odd game or two, but all the associated costs... urgh.


go WW2 40k, its cheaper, the rules are online.

£20 and wanting to do a british force, easily could get a churchhill, 2 boxes of 50 infantry, which come with machine guns and mortars, and basically enough for 2 plattoons and an HQ and maybe a bren gun carrier or 2 with 4 pounder guns.

thats why we went with 1/72, i have a german panzer grenadier force and have the basics of a decent sized jap force, even found a jap tank which wasn't easy, both armies are around 1000 to 1500 pts and it plays almost the same as 40k, tweeked slightly for units, certain weapons etc.

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No orks, no sale. :lol:

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PostRe: Which Warhammer army...
by jamcc » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:20 pm

I gotta say, I know pretty much nothing about Warhammer.

I think that makes me really cool.

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PostRe: Which Warhammer army...
by ladybayred » Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:00 am

Almost by coincidence I've got back into 40K recently - in the last 2 weeks I've bought the rule book, Tau Codex, Starter paint/equipment set some more paints, a black and white spray paint and a Tau Piranha! Seeing as how I live about 10 minutes away from Warhammer World it seems like a good idea to get back into it as I should be able to get involved with some pick up games quite quickly.

Finding the idea of painting my Piranha a bit daunting now. What are the best war gaming websites around and does anybody have any good introducing guides to modelling and painting (like where to buy cheap equivalents of GW paints as previously mentioned)?

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PostRe: Which Warhammer army...
by Yoshimi » Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:42 am

Some of my attempts at customising / painting...

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Reading this thread is giving me the urge to get back into it. I move house in 6 weeks and will have more space for hobbies. I just wish there was a club in my town, the nearest is in Edinburgh, and it's a bit of a trek.

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PostRe: Which Warhammer army...
by Garth » Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:14 am

Nice work Yoshimi!

Up for turning this into a general wargaming thread Lagamorph? I'd always wondered if there were many wargamers here :shifty:

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PostRe: Which Warhammer army...
by False » Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:54 am

Decent paint work there Yoshimi.

If there was a GW near me Id probably be well strawberry floated, but they're all quite a trek. Apart from a few general hobby shops, but they tend to put a stupid markup on them all and dont really have the knowledge that GW staff do.

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PostRe: Which Warhammer army...
by Carlos » Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:32 am

Falsey wrote:Decent paint work there Yoshimi.

If there was a GW near me Id probably be well strawberry floated, but they're all quite a trek. Apart from a few general hobby shops, but they tend to put a stupid markup on them all and dont really have the knowledge that GW staff do.


We have this wonderful indie store in Sheffield called the Wargames Emporium. They sell everything, from Warmachine and FoW to WW2 and Historical stuff. Best part is they sell a ton of 2nd hand GW models and do trade-ins like GAME!
I got an unpainted, assembled 1500pts Tau army for £60.

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PostRe: Which Warhammer army...
by Tragic Magic » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:28 am

I threw all my Warhammer out. Stupidest thing I ever did. :(

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PostRe: Which Warhammer army...
by DamageInc » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:33 am

I got back into warhammer about 3-4 months ago. Currently got high elf and chaos warrior armies. While I like putting the models together and playing the games with them, I don't like painting them (probebly doesn't help that I'm really bad at it)

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PostRe: Which Warhammer army...
by Iron Nan » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:36 am

There's a GW shop five minutes from me in a massive shopping centre but I don't give a toss, I never go in there except on the rare occasion when they release a new model I'm interested in and then only to look!

If you want to buy GW stuff, online is the only real option these days, these are my favourites, there are more out there.
http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/
http://www.darksphere.co.uk/
http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/
http://www.giftsforgeeks.org.uk/

If you're on a budget though and don't mind a little bit more work ebay is a goldmine for cheap GW goods, their core demographic is young kids who buy a shitload of stuff and then move on, their parents then throw all that stuff on ebay. Often it will be in a right state but you can pick up some great bargains and it's easy to break apart or just paint over a bad model.
Case in point I wanted some Meganobz to make my orks even more hard hitting, GW were charging £10 or something per figure at the time, I got four on ebay unassembled for about £9, a couple of arms were missing but it was an easy task to give em new ones. :D

As for paints and hobby supplies Vallejo are my favourites as I already mentioned but Maelstrom have a very large range of alternative paints/tools/supplies etc. Though with tools you can just go to any old model shop and get the basics for much less then GW. One more useful piece of knowledge for those starting out is that you don't need to buy model specific primer(s) for putting a base coat on your models, you can use bog standard car primer from Halfrords. :lol:

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