Why aren't you vegan?

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PostRe: Why aren't you vegan?
by Jenuall » Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:26 pm

Meat and two veg is boring as strawberry float though! I'd say my general cycle of meals that I cook contains a combo of both complicated and quick options and I don't think the veggie choices in that mix add disproportionately to the complicated list. There are plenty of quick and tasty veggie options.

Like I say this wasn't a criticism and I do accept that familiarity with existing meals from both a flavour and preparation persepective can be a hard barrier to overcome. I do think it's worth it though!

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PostRe: Why aren't you vegan?
by LightWanderer » Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:44 pm

OrangeRKN wrote:I have no problem with it when the animals are treated well, and I am in fact more comfortable knowing those farming the animals care for them.


Perfect. Sometimes can't help feeling a little guilty over it :shock: :lol:

Karl_ wrote:(I'm not OR but) I live in Wales, where there are a lot of farms still producing meat (particularly lamb, mutton, and pork) in a more "traditional" way - I'm friends or colleagues with a fair few of those farmers and I know they treat their animals well so I've no problem at all with how they make their living. I was interested to find out a fair few of them are vegetarians themselves though, or can't bear to eat the kind of animals they raise. :lol:

If there's a moral problem with meat for me it's if animals go through unnecessary discomfort while they're alive. And I do understand that has happened with a lot of the kind of supermarket or fast food meat you'll get, which I think is a shame. It's not something I really feel personally responsible for, it's the corner-cutting inherent to capitalism and it should be curtailed by state regulation, which I'd 100% support even if it made meat somewhat more expensive.

That's all ignoring the environmental side, but again, climate change isn't an individual problem, I don't think you can make a moral judgement on an individual based on how "green" they are when really climate change is a problem with capitalism as a system.


This all makes sense. Yeah it sucks how big food companies treat their livestock but for small personal farms the animals are usually treated well.

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PostRe: Why aren't you vegan?
by pjbetman » Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:24 pm

Jenuall wrote:I find it interesting that a lot of people's barriers or desires around "going veggie/vegan" are based around a need to find replacements for the things they currently eat - direct meat substitutes, meat free sausages, meatballs (that name is going to need to change in time surely?! :lol: ) etc.

I understand that perspective, and it makes sense to think - "I like the stuff I eat now, how can I eat basically the same stuff but without meat". But for whatever reason I had never really thought of the process in that way. Don't get me wrong if the industry keeps improving like it is then absolutely I will be all over fake burgers and the like, but as I've been cutting meat out of my diet over the last couple of years I've seen it as more of an opportunity to explore entirely new options and dishes, rather than just to keep eating the same stuff but with the meat replaced.

I think in some ways that is one of the reasons why people bounce off the idea or give up quite quickly - you are so used to eating meat in those meals that anything else is going to taste different and to some extent inferior and therefore why bother. But in trying entirely new dishes there is less of a comparison factor and so you just end up realising that there are loads of incredibly tasty meat free meals out there and wonder why it took you so bloody long to find them!

I'd recommend this cook book to anyone looking for some vegan meals, some amazing stuff in here: BOSH!


Defo. The meat substitute stuff is invariably rank. Dont see the point. Veggie food is tasty enough.

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PostRe: Why aren't you vegan?
by Ironhide » Fri Oct 04, 2019 6:56 pm

I can't stand Quorn, its hideous.

Every single meat alternative I've tried has ranged from tasteless to basically inedible so if I did go veggie for some reason, I just wouldn't bother with trying to replace the meat.

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PostRe: Why aren't you vegan?
by BID0 » Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:40 pm

If your experience is limited to quorn then that’s not really a good starting point. About the best thing they do are the spicy burgers... they’re kinda supposed to be chicken I guess in breadcrumbs, they’re pretty good though but they’re not like chicken!

In the last 2-3 years some of the faux meats have become crazy realistic to the point where if I’m eating out I begin to think I’ve been accidentally served meat, dairy, mayo etc. If I’m abroad I tend to stick to vegan only establishments for that reason coupled with a different language

“Happy Cow” is a good app when you’re travelling around the country/world. You can use your real world location to see nearby restaurants and you can filter them by veggie/vegan food depending on your preference, including supermarkets etc

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PostRe: Why aren't you vegan?
by Meep » Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:20 pm

Vegetarian only. Cheese is just too delicious. Yes, I know the massive suffering caused by the dairy industry and that I am a massive hypocrite.

I have tried to cut down recently. I use plant based spreads instead of butter and oat based milk. Cheese is the only real problem. All the free-from substitutes taste revolting. If anyone knows of one that is half-decent I'm all ears.

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PostRe: Why aren't you vegan?
by Rightey » Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:47 am

I've given up animal products while fasting for Easter. After the first few days I didn't really have any problems with cravings, but it is a pretty big hassle to always be checking labels. It's even worse when I would go to a restaurant, you'd basically be stuck with like 3 dishes.

In regular life, I like milk and cheese too much, I could probably do vegetarian, but not vegan.

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PostRe: Why aren't you vegan?
by Pedz » Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:11 am

Also Milk alternatives are awful. AWFUL.

I've only tried Soy, Coconut, Almond and I think rice, but there are foul. My youngest has Almond Milk as he has a milk intolerance and oddly he was having the same effects with Soy Milk as actual milk.

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PostRe: Why aren't you vegan?
by Chocolate-Milk » Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:03 am

I agree with Pedz, I haven't found a single milk substitute I can stand.

If I'm going to put soy milk in my brew, I might as well piss in it as well, it's ruined anyway.

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PostRe: Why aren't you vegan?
by Meep » Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:36 am

I actually prefer soya/oat to milk, which I never really liked to begin with. I know it doesn't work the best in coffee but I drink that black anyway.

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PostRe: Why aren't you vegan?
by Met » Sat Oct 05, 2019 12:39 pm

We made Granose meat free stuff at my old workplace. It was alright, but I wouldn't take it as a substitute for the real thing. The soy mince was rank, the burgers weren't anything special, but I quite liked the falafel and sausage mix. Wouldn't mind it mixed through a pasta or something, but don't tell me it's a sausage when it's clearly not.

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PostRe: Why aren't you vegan?
by Tsunade » Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:20 pm

I just dropped ella off with her grandparents at an anti fur March in birmingham town centre, where her grandparents were raising money for an animal charity by selling their vegan cakes. They're lucky I left when I did because I could have eaten the entire lot!

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PostRe: Why aren't you vegan?
by Qikz » Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:23 pm

I like meat and dairy too much, I feel bad but I need to eat what I enjoy :(

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PostRe: Why aren't you vegan?
by Gemini73 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 3:18 pm

Qikz wrote:I like meat and dairy too much, I feel bad but I need to eat what I enjoy :(


No one should be made to feel bad for enjoying a burger or a cheese sandwich.

If you feel bad because of what you choose to eat then that's of your own doing and is something you'll have to wrestle with, but if someone else is trying to make you feel bad for enjoying a quarter pounder then you need to tell them to strawberry float off and mind their own business.

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PostRe: Why aren't you vegan?
by Ironhide » Sat Oct 05, 2019 4:19 pm

Meep wrote:I know the massive suffering caused by the dairy industry.


As long as the cows are treat well, allowed outside and kept healthy then I can't really see the problem.

My main concern is that the cows might get milked too often but that impact could probably be reduced by introducing milking rotas so the animals get rest days.

While on the subject of animal derived foods that don't involve killing the animal, why is honey an issue for vegans? The bees don't suffer at all and would produce the honey anyway.

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PostRe: Why aren't you vegan?
by Pedz » Sat Oct 05, 2019 4:45 pm

Have you not seen Bee Movie!?

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PostRe: Why aren't you vegan?
by BID0 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 4:47 pm

Ironhide wrote:
Meep wrote:I know the massive suffering caused by the dairy industry.


As long as the cows are treat well, allowed outside and kept healthy then I can't really see the problem.

My main concern is that the cows might get milked too often but that impact could probably be reduced by introducing milking rotas so the animals get rest days.

While on the subject of animal derived foods that don't involve killing the animal, why is honey an issue for vegans? The bees don't suffer at all and would produce the honey anyway.

Honey: because a single bee produces less than a tenth of a teaspoon of honey and so it takes about 20,000 bees to fill a jar of honey... and bees create honey for themselves as a food source, so if you’re eating it then they have nothing (they are given sugar substitutes instead which lack the nutrients a bee needs in its diet)

Milk: for a cow (or any animal - including humans) to produce milk they must first give birth. In the case of the dairy industry they are artificially inseminated against their will so they can eventually give birth. Once the calf (or baby animal/human) is born it is taken away from the mother which is obviously very traumatic for the mother and child (there is the bond between them). The calf is slaughtered for veil and the mother is then milked until she is unable to produce milk anymore and then this process is repeated

Eggs: only female chickens can produce eggs and so the male chicks are discarded as they hatch (male chicks can’t produce eggs so they hold no value to the industry - additionally they are very aggressive and it’s a lot more expensive to use males for meat so again they hold no value versus female chicks). They’re usually
blitzed or gassed of dumped en-masse Because of the quantities of male chicks not required

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PostRe: Why aren't you vegan?
by BID0 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 4:52 pm

Honey is probably the one I get asked about the most. I found out over Christmas that figs aren’t (arguably) vegan either and after learning about the process of the fruit I probably won’t go near one ever again :lol:

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