Why Exactly Didn't The Eagles Drop The Ring Into Mt Doom?

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by andretmzt » Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:50 pm

I also thought it was the case that the Eagles didn't really care what happened to anyone else, so wouldn't have actually done that if asked. Also the power that the Witch King of Angmar had (which is referred to several times in the book iirc) was such that the Eagles would probably not have been able to get through even if they tried.

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PostRe: Why Exactly Didn't The Eagles Drop The Ring Into Mt Doom
by Denster » Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:53 pm

Cal! :wub:

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by Oh Teh Noes » Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:55 pm

*waits for Denny to come in here and go nuclear*

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PostRe: Why Exactly Didn't The Eagles Drop The Ring Into Mt Doom
by Tomous » Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:56 pm

Harry Bizzle wrote:What exactly would a corrupted bird do that's so bad?


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PostRe: Why Exactly Didn't The Eagles Drop The Ring Into Mt Doom
by Denster » Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:58 pm

:mrgreen: at Rinks' pun, too.

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PostRe: Why Exactly Didn't The Eagles Drop The Ring Into Mt Doom
by Bigerich » Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:08 pm

The Eagles are Manwe's creatures/servants, right? Obviously, since Sauron isn't an idiot (as we get repeatedly told by Gandalf and others), he would rightly fear them, so it wouldn't work.

And it would have been gooseberry fool, honestly.

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PostWhy Exactly Didn't The Eagles Drop The Ring Into Mt Doom?
by Buffalo » Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:45 pm

Harry Bizzle wrote:What exactly would a corrupted bird do that's so bad?


Poo on people deliberately?

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by Cal » Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:45 pm

I think this is the most salient point:

Tolkien even went so far as call [the eagles] a "dangerous machine" to the story and tried to limit their use because he saw how obvious it should have been to use them. The Eagles were supremely powerful as he first conceived them. Thorondor actually scarred Morgoth's face in the First Age. That's Morgoth, a being infinitely more powerful than Saruon himself. They were Valar. Eagles saved, at one point or another, just about every legendary character of the First Age. Tolkien had to back off on that because they represented a deus ex machina to his later ideas.


Says it all.

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PostRe: Why Exactly Didn't The Eagles Drop The Ring Into Mt Doom
by Denster » Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:16 pm

Sauron was Morgoth's lieutenant. A servant to an even darker lord. Not sure about the infinitely more powerful bit though. Morgoth corrupted Sauron but he passed on a lot of his lore and power to him. More powerful certainly but not infinitely so.

Sauron is a lot more cunning than Morgoth, too. Ooh the gooseberry fool he pulled before the hobbits done im. Sneaky strawberry float! :wub:

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by Morgendorffer » Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:27 pm

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by Cuttooth » Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:49 pm

pyxl-8 wrote:The correct answer is that it would make for an even more gooseberry fool book.

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by PuppetBoy » Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:02 pm

Buffalo wrote:
Harry Bizzle wrote:What exactly would a corrupted bird do that's so bad?


Poo on people deliberately?


I actually think a corrupted eagle zooming about pooing on people might make a better book. :lol:

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PostRe: Why Exactly Didn't The Eagles Drop The Ring Into Mt Doom
by TheTurnipKing » Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:20 pm

Harry Bizzle wrote:Because a giant eagle can't fly higher than a siege catapult or ballista can shoot.


Okay.



Actually, this is ridiculous. I'm not getting drawn into this argument. LOTR has a silly plothole which everyone is perfectly happy to gloss over. Live with it.

AND simultaneously drop a tiny metal object into a seething caldera of lava?

Bear in mind, they only get one shot. and Sauron has an air force too.

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Dude was totally hedging against this plan, I'm telling you.


Dammit, now I can't help but imagine the end of Return of the King as thought it was the end of Star Wars. Frodo flying on his Eagle buddy, while being chased by a ringwraith, as they attempt to fire The One Ring into a small thermal exhaust port right below the main port.

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PostRe: Why Exactly Didn't The Eagles Drop The Ring Into Mt Doom
by ~Earl Grey~ » Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:02 pm

Harry Bizzle wrote:What exactly would a corrupted bird do that's so bad?


gooseberry fool on your chariot.

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PostRe: Why Exactly Didn't The Eagles Drop The Ring Into Mt Doom
by ~Earl Grey~ » Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:05 pm

rinks wrote:They did ask an eagle to do it, but it was feeling ill that day. It was too under par.


:lol:

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PostRe: Why Exactly Didn't The Eagles Drop The Ring Into Mt Doom
by Saint of Killers » Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:42 pm

Too busy gangbanging Goldberry and forcing Tom to watch.

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PostRe: Why Exactly Didn't The Eagles Drop The Ring Into Mt Doom
by Captain Kinopio » Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:45 pm

Skippy wrote:Never liked this "theory". They didn't do it because of the huge risk, even if all the eagles went all it would take is one Nazgul to bring down the one carrying the ring. It drops into Mordor, game over.


This. Never understood why people had a problem with it.

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PostRe: Why Exactly Didn't The Eagles Drop The Ring Into Mt Doom
by Harry Bizzle » Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:01 pm

So let's send a couple of midgets instead.


Okay.


Why not just get your big fat army there to distract Sauron and then fly it in?

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PostRe: Why Exactly Didn't The Eagles Drop The Ring Into Mt Doom
by Captain Kinopio » Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:08 pm

Harry Bizzle wrote:So let's send a couple of midgets instead.


Okay.


Why not just get your big fat army there to distract Sauron and then fly it in?


Because of the Nazgul, and they did use an army to distract him.

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PostRe: Why Exactly Didn't The Eagles Drop The Ring Into Mt Doom
by Shadow » Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:49 pm

Carlos wrote:I imagine it took 3 films for them to escape from Hotel California.


When I read the thread title I genuinely thought this was talking about the band. :lol: :fp:

I was so confused.


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