Will we be listening to today's music in 20 years?

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by Moggy » Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:16 pm

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Green Gecko wrote:Your last post has answered that question. Besides being facetious in your own topic which prevents you from gleaming any new views that you have invited people to share. Good at making threads, terrible at illuminating anything from them. Same old Nick.


It's not my topic, my posts merely give my perspective as an answer, it just happens to differ from yours.

So who, today, is as big as Elvis, The Beatles and Michael Jackson were at their peak?

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/0 ... -star-died


How are you judging “big”?

Rihanna has outsold everyone except the Beatles.

Is that big enough?

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by Green Gecko » Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:19 pm

NickSCFC wrote:
Green Gecko wrote:Your last post has answered that question. Besides being facetious in your own topic which prevents you from gleaming any new views that you have invited people to share. Good at making threads, terrible at illuminating anything from them. Same old Nick.


It's not my topic, my posts merely give my perspective as an answer, it just happens to differ from yours.

So who, today, is as big as Elvis, The Beatles and Michael Jackson were at their peak?
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https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/0 ... -star-died


And that's totally fine, I just feel you're being contrarian. You can do the maths because I find the question too boring, sorry. Probably no-one.

You necro'd the thread because you're thinking about this in another topic recently. Here you go, it's now your thread.

btw I like Primus, I only found them recently but had heard the name. I don't know anything about them, where they were formed, who they are, what they look like, what genre they are or whether they're still performing or recording. And I don't care. I found them via asking Google Home what was playing while listening to some other playlist.

So from a technocratic point of view, I'd say this question is further nullified by those developments in technology.

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PostRe: Will we be listening to today's music in 20 years?
by Vermilion » Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:25 pm

NickSCFC wrote:This is possibly what Vermillion was trying to say, but he didn't present his argument very well.


Actually, all i did was point out just how crap Radiohead are. ;)

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PostRe: Will we be listening to today's music in 20 years?
by Squinty » Wed May 01, 2019 4:54 pm

Vermilion wrote:Muse have been around for years yet i can only think of two of their songs off the top of my head (supermassive black hole and one song i can't actually recall the title of).


It's probably Plug in Baby you are thinking of. I knew that song before I even knew who Muse were.

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PostRe: Will we be listening to today's music in 20 years?
by Ironhide » Wed May 01, 2019 7:24 pm

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btw I like Primus, I only found them recently but had heard the name. I don't know anything about them, where they were formed, who they are, what they look like, what genre they are or whether they're still performing or recording. And I don't care. I found them via asking Google Home what was playing while listening to some other playlist.


I first heard a Primus song (Jerry was a racecar driver) while playing THPS on the Dreamcast, didn't really check out any of their other stuff until fairly recently, can't say I like everything I've heard but there's a few great songs that I probably wouldn't have discovered had I never played that game.

I never knew their bassist performed the South Park into until fairly recently eithe.r

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by rinks » Wed May 01, 2019 7:57 pm

Ironhide wrote:
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btw I like Primus, I only found them recently but had heard the name. I don't know anything about them, where they were formed, who they are, what they look like, what genre they are or whether they're still performing or recording. And I don't care. I found them via asking Google Home what was playing while listening to some other playlist.


I first heard a Primus song (Jerry was a racecar driver) while playing THPS on the Dreamcast, didn't really check out any of their other stuff until fairly recently, can't say I like everything I've heard but there's a few great songs that I probably wouldn't have discovered had I never played that game.

I never knew their bassist performed the South Park into until fairly recently eithe.r


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by Green Gecko » Wed May 01, 2019 8:19 pm

That song is strawberry floating amazing and one of my favourite discoveries in recent years. Along with Too Many Puppies.

It's interesting that it took about 10 years for me to accidentally find a band that my own band was eponymous to in style and substance for quite a lot of material (but we pointed at Beefheart and Velvet Underground etc), our videos were similar too. Mostly nonsense because we just didn't put the effort into the vocals or songwriting, but not without some technical merit (I've played classical guitar for two decades now but what's the fun in performing that? Miss a note and people mumble.)

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by Mafro » Wed May 01, 2019 8:26 pm

Primus are ace.


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by Drumstick » Wed May 01, 2019 9:35 pm

I don't like most of today's big acts so no, I probably won't be listening to them in 20 years. Most of the albums/songs I listen to were released a decade or more ago and I haven't found a new artist I've liked in a long time.

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PostRe: Will we be listening to today's music in 20 years?
by floydfreak » Wed May 01, 2019 9:38 pm

Will people be listening to Michael Buble in 10-20 years time possible but Ariana Grande i doubt she will be around or remembered in 10 years time along with Justin Bieber

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by Lex-Man » Wed May 01, 2019 9:39 pm

Moggy wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:
Green Gecko wrote:Your last post has answered that question. Besides being facetious in your own topic which prevents you from gleaming any new views that you have invited people to share. Good at making threads, terrible at illuminating anything from them. Same old Nick.


It's not my topic, my posts merely give my perspective as an answer, it just happens to differ from yours.

So who, today, is as big as Elvis, The Beatles and Michael Jackson were at their peak?

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/0 ... -star-died


How are you judging “big”?

Rihanna has outsold everyone except the Beatles.

Is that big enough?


I'm not saying I like them but, Kanye West, Ed Sheeran, Ariana Grande, Drake and Taylor Swift.

All those people mentioned in that article have had their reputation and status improved by the passage of time.

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PostRe: Will we be listening to today's music in 20 years?
by Moggy » Wed May 01, 2019 9:44 pm

floydfreak wrote:Will people be listening to Michael Buble in 10-20 years time possible but Ariana Grande i doubt she will be around or remembered in 10 years time along with Justin Bieber


Bieber has already been around for 10 years.

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by Lex-Man » Wed May 01, 2019 10:13 pm

Moggy wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:
Green Gecko wrote:But again your experience is inherently limited; Matt bellamy is the frontman and is idolised by millions because he is the songwriter, singer and lead/only guitarist all in one. In that sense of multiplicity and showmanship arguably even better than Mercury as he is multitalented as a performer.


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Ridiculous.

In the 80s you could've taken a picture of Freddy Mercury around the streets and asked people who it was and the vast majority would know, same as if you played them a sample from Bohemian Rhapsody.

Do the same with Matt Bellamy today and most people would shrug, only a small percentage would recognise him, same as if you played them Knights of Cydonia.

I absolutely love Muse but to compare their fame to that of Queen and Mercury is absolutely absurd.


You’re focusing on one performer but ignoring that taste in genres have diversified over the years.

The Beatles and Queen were massive bands that everyone would recognise (although both had their detractors then and now). But who could name the lead singer of the Kinks? Some sure, most maybe, everyone though?

Most people would recognise a picture of Beyoncé. Most people would recognise Rhinanna’s Umbrella or Gaga’s Bad Romance.

But none of that answers the question of the thread. Will people be listening to today’s music in 20 years time? Yes, the teenagers of today will listen to the music of their youth, just like every other generation has done.





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by Green Gecko » Wed May 01, 2019 11:00 pm

:lol: it's horrible isn't it? Personally I've never really given a gooseberry fool about so and so but I'll recognise or enjoy the music if i just...do.

It still really grates me in discussions with musicians or armchair musicologists, oh you play do you? You MUST know this guy. What, you've not heard of him? Impossible, you must have if you like or play in the style of x.

Dude I don't strawberry floating care, just play the track and stop spouting useless information. strawberry float idolising these people. They don't matter, their work does.

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by OrangeRKN » Thu May 02, 2019 9:26 am

Music has and continues to diversify. The internet is a large influence in driving growth of subcultures, in a similar way that people have an increasingly personalised and varied experience of TV. It's a lot easier today to avoid popular or chart music than it was 20 or 30 years ago and search out your own interests, and I think that's why Nick for example is seeing a decline in big names that everyone knows. There is just less uniformity in the music that people are subjected to.

I don't think that has any bearing on or crossover with the quality of music being produced today (in fact it's probably better for a lot of music that can find a bigger audience), and people are always going to generally gravitate towards the music they listened to in their formative years. My favourite bands and music mostly come from mid-2000s indie for example.

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by Moggy » Thu May 02, 2019 10:02 am

OrangeRKN wrote:Music has and continues to diversify. The internet is a large influence in driving growth of subcultures, in a similar way that people have an increasingly personalised and varied experience of TV. It's a lot easier today to avoid popular or chart music than it was 20 or 30 years ago and search out your own interests, and I think that's why Nick for example is seeing a decline in big names that everyone knows. There is just less uniformity in the music that people are subjected to.

I don't think that has any bearing on or crossover with the quality of music being produced today (in fact it's probably better for a lot of music that can find a bigger audience), and people are always going to generally gravitate towards the music they listened to in their formative years. My favourite bands and music mostly come from mid-2000s indie for example.


I agree with most of that.

I think Nick confuses and merges two separate questions. “Will today’s music be listened to in 20 years time?” is a completely different question to “are today’s musicians as big as Elvis”.

The first question is almost certainly yes. People will always listen to the music that they enjoyed when they were in their teens or early 20s. That is very unlikely to change.

The second question is almost impossible to answer as it is hard to pin down what “big” means. Are we talking sales? Radio airplay? Streams on Spotify? Recognising the artist from a photo?

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by OrangeRKN » Thu May 02, 2019 10:07 am

Yeah pretty much, those are two separate questions as you say

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by Jenuall » Thu May 02, 2019 10:21 am

Lex-Man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:
Green Gecko wrote:Your last post has answered that question. Besides being facetious in your own topic which prevents you from gleaming any new views that you have invited people to share. Good at making threads, terrible at illuminating anything from them. Same old Nick.


It's not my topic, my posts merely give my perspective as an answer, it just happens to differ from yours.

So who, today, is as big as Elvis, The Beatles and Michael Jackson were at their peak?

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/0 ... -star-died


How are you judging “big”?

Rihanna has outsold everyone except the Beatles.

Is that big enough?


I'm not saying I like them but, Kanye West, Ed Sheeran, Ariana Grande, Drake and Taylor Swift.

All those people mentioned in that article have had their reputation and status improved by the passage of time.

Michael Jackson's reputation and status has improved with the passage of time? :dread:

It is pointless to compare artists from very different time periods. Elvis' first (and best) works were from 60 years ago and it has been 50 years since The Beatles recorded any music - the world was a very different place then, as was the music business. The circumstances which produced the genuine phenomenon that was "Beatlemania" are unlikely to be seen again.

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