Will we be listening to today's music in 20 years?

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by floydfreak » Mon May 06, 2019 9:25 pm

Such a tune even now


This is a classic


This song is still relevant even now and still as catchy as it was back then, the fact white guys still act like that in IRL :fp: :fp: :slol:

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by Heskimo » Mon May 06, 2019 10:50 pm

Vermilion wrote:This is something i've also noticed, a lot of late 90's/early 00's stuff still sounds really good and hasn't aged much at all.

Some of my favourites...

Craig David: Rewind/7 Days
Crazy Town: Butterfly
All Saints: Pure Shores
Stardust: Music sounds better with you
Modjo: Lady (hear me tonight)
Avril Lavigne: Sk8er Boi
Justin Timberlake: Cry Me a River


The thing is, if you have even a passing interest in music production, these tracks do all sound dated. The production styles of this decade wouldn't produce songs that sound the way these do without purposely trying to replicate the late 90s/early 00s styles.

Do they still sound good? Yes, definitely, and the songs themselves will push the right buttons for lots of people. But I wouldn't say they can't be blatantly picked out of a random selection of songs as being audibly from that era. If you don't hear it, it's probably either because you like the tracks/have nostalgia for them, you don't listen to much newer music to contrast them to, or you're not really analysing the sound past the surface level. (Not meaning this as an insult or to sound elitist, and if it comes across that way, I apologise. Not the easiest thing to articulate.)

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PostRe: Will we be listening to today's music in 20 years?
by Ironhide » Tue May 07, 2019 3:24 pm

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Vermilion wrote:This is something i've also noticed, a lot of late 90's/early 00's stuff still sounds really good and hasn't aged much at all.

Some of my favourites...

Craig David: Rewind/7 Days
Crazy Town: Butterfly
All Saints: Pure Shores
Stardust: Music sounds better with you
Modjo: Lady (hear me tonight)
Avril Lavigne: Sk8er Boi
Justin Timberlake: Cry Me a River


The thing is, if you have even a passing interest in music production, these tracks do all sound dated. The production styles of this decade wouldn't produce songs that sound the way these do without purposely trying to replicate the late 90s/early 00s styles.

Do they still sound good? Yes, definitely, and the songs themselves will push the right buttons for lots of people. But I wouldn't say they can't be blatantly picked out of a random selection of songs as being audibly from that era. If you don't hear it, it's probably either because you like the tracks/have nostalgia for them, you don't listen to much newer music to contrast them to, or you're not really analysing the sound past the surface level. (Not meaning this as an insult or to sound elitist, and if it comes across that way, I apologise. Not the easiest thing to articulate.)


I know what you mean by that .

I've long had a theory that some people like songs and some people like music, the people who like songs are interested mainly in the vocal elements and are happy as long as the song sounds 'good' (subjectively) to them, whereas the people who like music will also be interested in the instrumentation, the overall composition and production of what they're listening to.

I'm not saying either of the two groups is correct or that they're mutually exclusive but I do think most people tend to lean to one side or the other in their musical tastes.

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by NickSCFC » Tue May 07, 2019 3:30 pm

Can anyone explain the recent trend in slow pop songs with that finger clicking sound playing in the background on a 5 second loop.

It's worse than the Robin Thicke "Woo" loop

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by NickSCFC » Tue May 07, 2019 3:34 pm

Ironhide wrote:I know what you mean by that .

I've long had a theory that some people like songs and some people like music, the people who like songs are interested mainly in the vocal elements and are happy as long as the song sounds 'good' (subjectively) to them, whereas the people who like music will also be interested in the instrumentation, the overall composition and production of what they're listening to.

I'm not saying either of the two groups is correct or that they're mutually exclusive but I do think most people tend to lean to one side or the other in their musical tastes.


I'm certainly in the latter group which would explain why I'm mainly into rock and electronic.

80s rock and electronic was really melodic with a lot of instantly recognisable tunes that still stand out today.

A lot of today's pop music seems to completely ditch melodies in favour of a repetitive beat which just leaves the songs feeling flat, mumble rap is one of the worst examples of this.

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by floydfreak » Tue May 07, 2019 3:42 pm

NickSCFC wrote:Can anyone explain the recent trend in slow pop songs with that finger clicking sound playing in the background on a 5 second loop.

It's worse than the Robin Thicke "Woo" loop


Prop finger clicking is for when they do the song live they don't get out of sync, or could just be a click track higher in the mix to go along with the beat.

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by Vermilion » Tue May 07, 2019 6:45 pm

NickSCFC wrote:A lot of today's pop music seems to completely ditch melodies in favour of a repetitive beat which just leaves the songs feeling flat


Also, a lot of today's stuff doesn't even have proper choruses any more, they simply use an instrumental interlude instead.

It may work fine with the odd dance track (David Guetta's Titanium for example was fantastic), but over time it's been copied by more and more artists and more often than not, it just doesn't work very well.

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PostRe: Will we be listening to today's music in 20 years?
by Rex Kramer » Tue May 07, 2019 6:59 pm

The Stone Roses by The Stone Roses is 30 years old now and it's still the greatest album ever made. So the answer to the thread title is definitely yes.

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by Vermilion » Tue May 07, 2019 7:08 pm

Rex Kramer wrote:The Stone Roses by The Stone Roses is 30 years old now and it's still the greatest album ever made. So the answer to the thread title is definitely yes.


Not sure how old i was when they first appeared, but when their songs were played on the ITV Chart Show i thought they sounded dreadful (despite everyone saying they were amazing).

Fast forward a couple of decades and i tried listening to their music again, assuming i only didn't like them in the beginning because of my then age, but nope, i still thought they were crap (though not as bad as Radiohead).

:toot:

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by Ad7 » Tue May 07, 2019 7:15 pm

Rex Kramer wrote:The Stone Roses by The Stone Roses is 30 years old now and it's still the greatest album ever made. So the answer to the thread title is definitely yes.


o/

Put fools gold on now and it sounds like it was made that morning. It was released in 1989 ffs!

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by Moggy » Tue May 07, 2019 7:35 pm

Vermilion wrote:
Rex Kramer wrote:The Stone Roses by The Stone Roses is 30 years old now and it's still the greatest album ever made. So the answer to the thread title is definitely yes.


Not sure how old i was when they first appeared, but when their songs were played on the ITV Chart Show i thought they sounded dreadful (despite everyone saying they were amazing).

Fast forward a couple of decades and i tried listening to their music again, assuming i only didn't like them in the beginning because of my then age, but nope, i still thought they were crap (though not as bad as Radiohead).

:toot:


Why is Vermilion still allowed to post on this forum?

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PostRe: Will we be listening to today's music in 20 years?
by Jenuall » Tue May 07, 2019 7:38 pm

Agreed Stone Roses is perfection level stuff. :datass:

Where are we all on Second Coming though?

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by Moggy » Tue May 07, 2019 7:42 pm

Jenuall wrote:Agreed Stone Roses is perfection level stuff. :datass:

Where are we all on Second Coming though?


It’s utter shite compared to SR. But it’s probably overly harshly judged just because their first album was perfection.

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by Jenuall » Tue May 07, 2019 7:48 pm

Moggy wrote:
Jenuall wrote:Agreed Stone Roses is perfection level stuff. :datass:

Where are we all on Second Coming though?


It’s utter shite compared to SR. But it’s probably overly harshly judged just because their first album was perfection.

Yeah, whilst it is considerably worse I think it was always going to fail to live up to expectations so it probably gets a bigger kicking than it deserves.

They probably shouldn't have taken so long to get round to doing it as well, was it 5 years between the album's? That wouldn't have helped!

Ten Storey Love Song is decent enough I think.

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by Moggy » Tue May 07, 2019 7:52 pm

Jenuall wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Jenuall wrote:Agreed Stone Roses is perfection level stuff. :datass:

Where are we all on Second Coming though?


It’s utter shite compared to SR. But it’s probably overly harshly judged just because their first album was perfection.

Yeah, whilst it is considerably worse I think it was always going to fail to live up to expectations so it probably gets a bigger kicking than it deserves.

They probably shouldn't have taken so long to get round to doing it as well, was it 5 years between the album's? That wouldn't have helped!

Ten Storey Love Song is decent enough I think.


That was the exact song I was thinking of.

It’d be interesting to see how it was judged if it had been the first album and didn’t suffer from high expectations and massive disappointment.

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by Ironhide » Tue May 07, 2019 7:55 pm

Rex Kramer wrote:The Stone Roses by The Stone Roses is 30 years old now and it's still the greatest album ever made. So the answer to the thread title is definitely yes.


Never got what people like about The Stone Roses, Fools Gold is alright but I can't think of a single other song they've done.

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by Moggy » Tue May 07, 2019 7:58 pm

Ironhide wrote:
Rex Kramer wrote:The Stone Roses by The Stone Roses is 30 years old now and it's still the greatest album ever made. So the answer to the thread title is definitely yes.


Never got what people like about The Stone Roses, Fools Gold is alright but I can't think of a single other song they've done.


She Bangs the Drums, I am the Resurrection, Waterfall, Sally Cinnamon and I Wanna be Adored are all very very well known songs.

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by Vermilion » Tue May 07, 2019 8:09 pm

Moggy wrote:Why is Vermilion still allowed to post on this forum?


You know you love it.

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by Rex Kramer » Tue May 07, 2019 8:14 pm

Jenuall wrote:Agreed Stone Roses is perfection level stuff. :datass:

Where are we all on Second Coming though?

The yawning chasm created by Reni leaving was so obvious. It's a serviceable album that highlights how good a guitarist John Squire is but it's missing the magic of the debut.

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by Rex Kramer » Tue May 07, 2019 8:17 pm

Moggy wrote:
Ironhide wrote:
Rex Kramer wrote:The Stone Roses by The Stone Roses is 30 years old now and it's still the greatest album ever made. So the answer to the thread title is definitely yes.


Never got what people like about The Stone Roses, Fools Gold is alright but I can't think of a single other song they've done.


She Bangs the Drums, I am the Resurrection, Waterfall, Sally Cinnamon and I Wanna be Adored are all very very well known songs.

I used to be all about Resurrection, it was my favourite track for an absolute age but I'm now totally hooked on She Bangs the Drums. Its such a strawberry floating joyous record.


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