WOLF MAFIA

Drumstick wrote:

Pancake wrote:That's all very easy in hindsight but very difficult in the actual game. The list above is a case in point since it contains 3 humans who were still alive at the very end. We could have used the list to target one of them incorrectly.

None of that was posted in hindsight, but in real-time in the deadposting thread.

Pancake wrote:

Drumstick wrote:

Pancake wrote:That's all very easy in hindsight but very difficult in the actual game. The list above is a case in point since it contains 3 humans who were still alive at the very end. We could have used the list to target one of them incorrectly.

None of that was posted in hindsight, but in real-time in the deadposting thread.

Yeh but when you're not of the game it is easier to be dispassionate, there is a difference. You said yourself that you didn't think TAP was the Alpha, and he's the only wolf that got away.

Nun wrote:

Pancake wrote:

Drumstick wrote:

Pancake wrote:That's all very easy in hindsight but very difficult in the actual game. The list above is a case in point since it contains 3 humans who were still alive at the very end. We could have used the list to target one of them incorrectly.

None of that was posted in hindsight, but in real-time in the deadposting thread.

Yeh but when you're not of the game it is easier to be dispassionate, there is a difference. You said yourself that you didn't think TAP was the Alpha, and he's the only wolf that got away.

I acknowledge that everyone is a great mafia player when they're dead and all which is sort of what you're saying here. But i'm struggling to think of an example this game where anyone except mcj went back in thread to check deceased player's posts on role flip at all.

Don't think this would have been useful for any wolf except PMM because the others barely posted but it is generally a useful strategy I think was slightly ignored.

Pancake wrote:Sure but it takes bloody ages and is boring.

Karl_ wrote:It might be interesting to have more active players be more difficult to kill, for both the village and the wolves. Maybe you're faced with a choice of killing two people from the bottom half or one person from the top half. It relies on having a consistent, accurate, fool-proof post-count ranking, which we haven't had in the past, but if it were automated then it would be possible.

Drumstick wrote:

Corazon de Leon wrote:I'd note that an awful lot of Drumstick's hunches and extrapolated data turned out to be wrong. He consistently believed Daz to be a wolf role and ultimately was not aware of TAP's alignment at the end of the game. He also PMed me to note the suspicious nature of two seers, two humans and Ian at the start of the game( ). The tactics he describes might have caught a couple of the wolves faster(and I'd note that GCE was posting up regular counts on things like this) but wouldn't ultimately have won us the game, as I see it.

EDIT: I'll also say that I was relying on other people to do a lot of the legwork this time round as I've been working pretty hefty shifts, so thanks to Jenuall, GCE and ORKN for sorting a lot of that out.

I also had 3 wolves in my original group of ~8 people that I wanted to look at. Also the second, suspicious nature = doesn't necessarily mean I wanted to lynch them, more a hunch that there's more to them than meets the eye.

Pancake wrote:Sure but it takes bloody ages and is boring.

Corazon de Leon wrote:I’m not criticising by the way, merely pointing out that you got as much wrong as you did right from what I’ve read in the commentary thread, and for all your pushing of the inactive lynch as the way forward, it’s not an infallible method. It might have worked reasonably well here(though again, it wouldn’t have flushed out TAP) because Mommy sucked all the need for the wolves to stay active out of the game, but that’s not to say it’s always the best, or most relevant tactic to use.

Drumstick wrote:

Pancake wrote:Sure but it takes bloody ages and is boring.

Depends how badly you want to win...?

Corazon de Leon wrote:I’m not criticising by the way, merely pointing out that you got as much wrong as you did right from what I’ve read in the commentary thread, and for all your pushing of the inactive lynch as the way forward, it’s not an infallible method. It might have worked reasonably well here(though again, it wouldn’t have flushed out TAP) because Mommy sucked all the need for the wolves to stay active out of the game, but that’s not to say it’s always the best, or most relevant tactic to use.

I know that. I have never said that targeting the inactives is an infallible or all-conquering strategy, but it is a good strategy to start the game with, when there's usually nothing to go on, which has lasting benefits. The only reason I harped on about it throughout this particular game was because PPM specifically tried to steer the thread away from looking at the pool of inactives I identified on the first day. By design it is supposed to be a short-term plan, not an enduring strategy.

Jenuall wrote:

Karl_ wrote:It might be interesting to have more active players be more difficult to kill, for both the village and the wolves. Maybe you're faced with a choice of killing two people from the bottom half or one person from the top half. It relies on having a consistent, accurate, fool-proof post-count ranking, which we haven't had in the past, but if it were automated then it would be possible.

Harsh.

Karl_ wrote:

Jenuall wrote:

Karl_ wrote:It might be interesting to have more active players be more difficult to kill, for both the village and the wolves. Maybe you're faced with a choice of killing two people from the bottom half or one person from the top half. It relies on having a consistent, accurate, fool-proof post-count ranking, which we haven't had in the past, but if it were automated then it would be possible.

Harsh.

I meant "before this game"! You did a good job.

Your script seems pretty good to me, but I can probably make it easier on you by exposing a "post count API" server-side.

Drumstick wrote:

Pancake wrote:Sure but it takes bloody ages and is boring.

Depends how badly you want to win...?

Mommy wrote:

OrangeRKN wrote:
Mommy is mental

Finally, Mommy is a right crazy seer and I am definitely voting to lynch him on the first day of the next game

Maybe I'll run the next one...


Now wouldn't that be fun?

Mystical Ninja Starring Danmon wrote:If nothing else I reckon this game is definitive proof that the forum games scene on GR is alive and well. Over 180 pages total in just over three weeks shows that there's a demand for it!

Thank you to everyone who played, commented and/or followed along. It's been great!

Over to you for the next game!