Xbox Backwards Compatibility - 76 games added, 37 games get FPS boost (p96)

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PostRe: Xbox One backwards compatibility
by Buffalo » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:25 pm

I think a couple of you who described this as 'huge' are getting a little carried away. Think about why BC was removed in the first place, for starters. I suppose a lot of former 360 owners might care, but there's 2 examples already - Psykes and Steve - who flogged the lot off ages ago anyway.

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by HSH28 » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:31 pm

Buffalo wrote:I think a couple of you who described this as 'huge' are getting a little carried away. Think about why BC was removed in the first place, for starters. I suppose a lot of former 360 owners might care, but there's 2 examples already - Psykes and Steve - who flogged the lot off ages ago anyway.


Its 'huge' for MS because it gives the huge amount of 360 owners a rather large reason to buy an Xbox One rather than a PS4.

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by Psychic » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:32 pm

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PsychicSykes wrote:For hoarders it's good news, especially considering the patchy record of 360 hardware. I traded all my stuff in before this gen kicked off though, so it's not of much interest to me. I don't plan on getting one and this announcement is going to have no bearing on that.


You might not be interested in the new Rainbow Six game, but it might become a model for other games.

In case you missed it, if you buy the game on Xbox One you get the 360 versions of Rainbow Six Vegas 1&2 for free.

It's a nice extra and it'd be cool if it did set a precedent, but it's not something that's going to have any impact on any console purchase I'd ever make.

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by Delusibeta » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:32 pm

Buffalo wrote:I think a couple of you who described this as 'huge' are getting a little carried away. Think about why BC was removed in the first place, for starters. I suppose a lot of former 360 owners might care, but there's 2 examples already - Psykes and Steve - who flogged the lot off ages ago anyway.

Plus since this is almost certainly an emulator it's going to be a bugarama, at least initially. As I said, Xbox Originals is what everyone should be thinking of.

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PostRe: Xbox One backwards compatibility
by Buffalo » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:32 pm

Again, 'a rather large reason' is somewhat exaggerating.

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by Delusibeta » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:35 pm

HSH28 wrote:
Buffalo wrote:I think a couple of you who described this as 'huge' are getting a little carried away. Think about why BC was removed in the first place, for starters. I suppose a lot of former 360 owners might care, but there's 2 examples already - Psykes and Steve - who flogged the lot off ages ago anyway.


Its 'huge' for MS because it gives the huge amount of 360 owners a rather large reason to buy an Xbox One rather than a PS4.

That might have been true if it was announced in 2013, but in 2015 I'd argue that Rock Band 4 on its own provides a bigger incentive for 360 owners to buy an Xbone than this. I'd wager a hefty chunk of 360 owners have already bought a PS4, and I would also wager said people either kept their 360 or sold off their 360 stuff, and in both cases this would be of little interest to them, especially considering the inevitably limited number of games this will apply to. (Remember when Microsoft said the 360 would have full backwards compatibility with the original Xbox?)

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by jawafour » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:39 pm

I don't get why this can be seen as a 'bad thing'. A current gen console will now have the capability to play last-gen games for no money. There *may* be techncial challenges and there *might* be uncertainty about how and when games will become compatible, but it's a step up from what has gone before.

The Wii U can run Wii games (for free), the One can soon run 360 games (for free)... I hope that Sony looks again at PS Now and their approach to pricing. Perhaps they'll even work harder to make it possible for the PS4 to play PS3 discs.

Has to be a good thing.

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by AndyXL » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:39 pm

HSH28 wrote:
Buffalo wrote:I think a couple of you who described this as 'huge' are getting a little carried away. Think about why BC was removed in the first place, for starters. I suppose a lot of former 360 owners might care, but there's 2 examples already - Psykes and Steve - who flogged the lot off ages ago anyway.


Its 'huge' for MS because it gives the huge amount of 360 owners a rather large reason to buy an Xbox One rather than a PS4.


But the 360 owners can still play their games on the 360, so it's really no big deal at all.

If you were going to buy a PS4, you're not going to go for Xbox One, just because it also plays some old games you can play on your old system in any event...

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PostRe: Xbox One backwards compatibility
by HSH28 » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:40 pm

Delusibeta wrote:I'd wager a hefty chunk of 360 owners have already bought a PS4...


Interesting.

Xbox 360 sales - 84+ million
PS4 sales - 23 million

Doesn't seem likely that 'a hefty chunk of 360 owners' now own PS4s.

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PostRe: Xbox One backwards compatibility - for disc and digital Xbox 360 games
by Lagamorph » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:42 pm

I'm wondering how they're going to give people with retail discs a digital copy on the Xbox One. The only two ways I can think of are incredibly easy to cheat.

1) You use kinect to scan the barcode on your box. But then all you need to do is download a cover off the Internet and print it out.
2) Insert your game disc into the Xone and it adds a digital copy to your account. All you need to do here though is be a member of a service like Boomerang and you can just add every game to your digital library.

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PostRe: Xbox One backwards compatibility - for disc and digital Xbox 360 games
by NickSCFC » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:43 pm

Assmung those 23m previously owned a 360, that's quite a hefty chunk.

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by HSH28 » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:44 pm

AXL wrote:But the 360 owners can still play their games on the 360, so it's really no big deal at all.


You are assuming the mass market stomachs multiple consoles at once. My experience is that most people that aren't huge gamers won't.

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by HSH28 » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:45 pm

NickSCFC wrote:Assmung those 23m previously owned a 360, that's quite a hefty chunk.


So no people that were PS3 only owners wanted to buy a PS4? I don't think so.

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PostRe: Xbox One backwards compatibility - for disc and digital Xbox 360 games
by HSH28 » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:46 pm

Lagamorph wrote:I'm wondering how they're going to give people with retail discs a digital copy on the Xbox One. The only two ways I can think of are incredibly easy to cheat.

1) You use kinect to scan the barcode on your box. But then all you need to do is download a cover off the Internet and print it out.
2) Insert your game disc into the Xone and it adds a digital copy to your account. All you need to do here though is be a member of a service like Boomerang and you can just add every game to your digital library.


I presume it'll work like Xbox One physical discs. It will install content on your 360 but will only play with the disc in the drive.

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by NickSCFC » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:46 pm

HSH28 wrote:
AXL wrote:But the 360 owners can still play their games on the 360, so it's really no big deal at all.


You are assuming the mass market stomachs multiple consoles at once. My experience is that most people that aren't huge gamers won't.


At this stage in the generation though only the hardcore have bought consoles.

The mass market comes at sub-£200

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by jawafour » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:47 pm

HSH28 wrote:...My experience is that most people that aren't huge gamers won't.

Agreed. Us keen gamers in GRcade may well have multiple systems, but the bulk of the mass market will have a single gaming box under their TV. I'm sure that an abiity to continue being able to play their old games will be attractive.

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by Delusibeta » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:49 pm

HSH28 wrote:
AXL wrote:But the 360 owners can still play their games on the 360, so it's really no big deal at all.


You are assuming the mass market stomachs multiple consoles at once. My experience is that most people that aren't huge gamers won't.

Hence why this announcement won't move boxes. Good chunk of 360 owners either have already bought a PS4 or have friends who went PS4. Said people either kept their 360s or dumped their 360s, and aren't in the market for a £300 box that plays some of their 360 games and whatever exclusives Microsoft can cook up. By the time the £200 barrier gets breached, I would expect Microsoft would have forgotten all about this initiative. Again, Microsoft should have announced this in 2013.

jawafour wrote:I don't get why this can be seen as a 'bad thing'. A current gen console will now have the capability to play last-gen games for no money. There *may* be techncial challenges and there *might* be uncertainty about how and when games will become compatible, but it's a step up from what has gone before.

The Wii U can run Wii games (for free), the One can soon run 360 games (for free)... I hope that Sony looks again at PS Now and their approach to pricing. Perhaps they'll even work harder to make it possible for the PS4 to play PS3 discs.

Has to be a good thing.

It's not a bad thing, but it is grossly overhyped. As I said, look at Xbox Originals and how that was handled, and I'd expect this to be very similar.

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PostRe: Xbox One backwards compatibility
by HSH28 » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:51 pm

NickSCFC wrote:
HSH28 wrote:
AXL wrote:But the 360 owners can still play their games on the 360, so it's really no big deal at all.


You are assuming the mass market stomachs multiple consoles at once. My experience is that most people that aren't huge gamers won't.


At this stage in the generation though only the hardcore have bought consoles.

The mass market comes at sub-£200


It comes in stages, this is good for MS because we are just entering the mass market stage, its been available at sub £250 with a game recently. I imagine come this Christmas it will be close to £200.

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PostRe: Xbox One backwards compatibility - for disc and digital Xbox 360 games
by Bertie » Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:03 pm

I have a huge 360 library and still have mine under the TV next to the PS4. I jumped to the PS4 this time around.

This has me slightly tempted by an Xbox one, but the reality is I don't have time to play all the new games, never-mind replaying my old back catalogue. If I buy an Xbox one now, I'll have exclusive titles to smash through.

For me, the horse has bolted, but for those who are thinking of upgrading from a 360 it is something to think about.... But there is a huge catalogue of new games that they should prioritise. I'm not sure how much BC counts for now, especially given all the remasters.

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PostRe: Xbox One backwards compatibility - for disc and digital Xbox 360 games
by Tragic Magic » Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:46 pm

I remember how badly the 360's BC was implemented so I care very little got this and trust them even less. So many old Xbox were riddled with bugs or were just plain unplayable running on the 360. I expect the same situation here.


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