Xbox Series X - The Worlds Most Powerful Console. Out in November.

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by Robbo-92 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:47 am

They definitely need to announce Lockhart, pricing and release date for both at the absolute minimum. Obviously if they have any more games to announce that are coming in the next couple of years that’d be good as well. Also I’m going to say a bit of gameplay for one of the other games that’s been in development a while? I don’t quite believe they didn’t have some actual gameplay of Everwild, Hellblade 2 or Forza 8 to show off if they wanted.

Is their August show meant to be another big one like the July one then? I thought it was mainly about services and the hardware side of things rather than games.

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by Samuel_1 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:37 am

Robbo-92 wrote:They definitely need to announce Lockhart, pricing and release date for both at the absolute minimum. Obviously if they have any more games to announce that are coming in the next couple of years that’d be good as well. Also I’m going to say a bit of gameplay for one of the other games that’s been in development a while? I don’t quite believe they didn’t have some actual gameplay of Everwild, Hellblade 2 or Forza 8 to show off if they wanted.

Is their August show meant to be another big one like the July one then? I thought it was mainly about services and the hardware side of things rather than games.

I think Phil is really confident about the August showing, so should be something special ;)

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PostRe: Xbox Series X - The Worlds Most Powerful Console.
by Tomous » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:00 am

Phil is always confident to be fair.

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PostRe: Xbox Series X - The Worlds Most Powerful Console.
by Samuel_1 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:05 am

Tomous wrote:Phil is always confident to be fair.

He is, it was a litte joke.

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PostRe: Xbox Series X - The Worlds Most Powerful Console.
by Robbo-92 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:05 am

I’ve not seen anything about him being confident for the August show but yeah he does always come across as confident. I wonder if Sony don’t announce a date/price in their next event then Microsoft will continue the game of chicken and follow suit.

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PostRe: Xbox Series X - The Worlds Most Powerful Console.
by Photek » Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:18 pm

I hate that both companies are terrified of announcing a price and release date. It’s becoming a farce. MS took games out of the showcase to counter Sony. It’s annoying.

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by Robbo-92 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:41 pm

Well one of them will have to cave at some point.

Where did they say some games had been taken out? I know we didn’t see something from every studio but just presumed that’s because whatever they’re working on isn’t ready to show yet rather than them strategically being pushed back.

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PostRe: Xbox Series X - The Worlds Most Powerful Console.
by Boo! » Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:33 pm

I think ill get a ps5 and then just play any xbox exclusive on project cloud

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PostRe: Xbox Series X - The Worlds Most Powerful Console.
by Peter Crisp » Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:10 pm

Will the cut in VAT be applied to consoles?
That could make quite a difference.

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PostRe: Xbox Series X - The Worlds Most Powerful Console.
by more heat than light » Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:16 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:Will the cut in VAT be applied to consoles?
That could make quite a difference.


No, it doesn't include electrical items.

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by ITSMILNER » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:00 pm

I was hoping that rumoured scheme where the government were giving everyone a £500 gift voucher to spend at retail stores was real as I would have used it towards a next gen system :lol:

At the moment, neither launch line up is looking particularly fantastic at the moment. A lot of the cool looking stuff is still quite a way out. What is swaying it towards XsX for me at the moment is backwards compatibility, I only have a regular XBone so I missed out on all the XBoneX improvements so I assume they will all be present on the new system. That coupled with Gamepass seems like the best option and then wait on PS5 bundles/price drop.

What I am interested in seeing is which system will run 3rd party games better, will Sony’s be better overall because of the SSD and faster loading? Will it be the XsX due to it having a bit more terabyte oomph?

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PostRe: Xbox Series X - The Worlds Most Powerful Console.
by Photek » Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:07 am

ITSMILNER wrote:What I am interested in seeing is which system will run 3rd party games better, will Sony’s be better overall because of the SSD and faster loading? Will it be the XsX due to it having a bit more terabyte oomph?

3rd party games will run better on SX, even if the SSD on the PS5 is faster (which we still don’t know due to the high velocity software on X) then only Sony first party games will take advantage. 3rd party games will have to cater to PC and ‘normal’ nvme SSD’s so with that out of the equation it’s down to CPU and GPU, which are both better on XSX.

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PostRe: Xbox Series X - The Worlds Most Powerful Console.
by Squinty » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:09 am

I agree that it is an absolute farce that neither company has disclosed the price.

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PostRe: Xbox Series X - The Worlds Most Powerful Console.
by Monkey Man » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:43 am

The Switch revealed its price less than 2 months before release and its done alright.

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by ITSMILNER » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:06 am

Photek wrote:
ITSMILNER wrote:What I am interested in seeing is which system will run 3rd party games better, will Sony’s be better overall because of the SSD and faster loading? Will it be the XsX due to it having a bit more terabyte oomph?

3rd party games will run better on SX, even if the SSD on the PS5 is faster (which we still don’t know due to the high velocity software on X) then only Sony first party games will take advantage. 3rd party games will have to cater to PC and ‘normal’ nvme SSD’s so with that out of the equation it’s down to CPU and GPU, which are both better on XSX.


Hmmm if that’s the case then it’s likely that XsX will be my 3rd party go to machine and PS5 will be purely for exclusives

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PostRe: Xbox Series X - The Worlds Most Powerful Console.
by Robbo-92 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:39 am

Monkey Man wrote:The Switch revealed its price less than 2 months before release and its done alright.


I thought the Switch’s price was announced at the October event back in 2016? Either way definitely done it no harm in the long term. Guess it just feels more annoying for these as they’re both clearly just calling the others bluff while they could both just announce a price and date tomorrow.

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PostRe: Xbox Series X - The Worlds Most Powerful Console.
by DaveDS » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:56 am

ITSMILNER wrote:
Photek wrote:
ITSMILNER wrote:What I am interested in seeing is which system will run 3rd party games better, will Sony’s be better overall because of the SSD and faster loading? Will it be the XsX due to it having a bit more terabyte oomph?

3rd party games will run better on SX, even if the SSD on the PS5 is faster (which we still don’t know due to the high velocity software on X) then only Sony first party games will take advantage. 3rd party games will have to cater to PC and ‘normal’ nvme SSD’s so with that out of the equation it’s down to CPU and GPU, which are both better on XSX.


Hmmm if that’s the case then it’s likely that XsX will be my 3rd party go to machine and PS5 will be purely for exclusives


The smart thing to do is wait and see, as has been shown already many times, things don’t always turn out as some would suggest.

Purely on paper the specification difference in GPU is considerably smaller than it was last gen between PS4 and Xboxone. Just like then how games look and run will be determined by what the developers target. Developers usually want their games to run a certain way on console, rather than using unlocked frame rates that could show the 15% theoretical (based on TF) GPU advantage.

I somehow feel they will not bork the PS5 versions in order to fully maximise the extra teraflops of the series X GPU. But all that could change depending on sales figures. If one starts to sell considerably better than the other that will most likely determine where the developers target, if that’s series X then it’s fully possible some PS5 3rd party games could suffer in comparison.

The CPU difference is so small it’s pretty pointless bringing it up really. 3.5GHz vs 3.6GHz (series x frequency with SMT enabled) is less than 3% difference. Series X featuring 3.8GHz with SMT off. I can’t see a developer not using SMT on a game that really pushes the CPU, but the extra frequency might come in handy when running less complex games at 120hz.

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PostRe: Xbox Series X - The Worlds Most Powerful Console.
by Tomous » Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:23 pm

Robbo-92 wrote:
Monkey Man wrote:The Switch revealed its price less than 2 months before release and its done alright.


I thought the Switch’s price was announced at the October event back in 2016? Either way definitely done it no harm in the long term. Guess it just feels more annoying for these as they’re both clearly just calling the others bluff while they could both just announce a price and date tomorrow.


There wasn't an October event, it was a January presentation before March release.

They released a teaser trailer for it in October.

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PostRe: Xbox Series X - The Worlds Most Powerful Console.
by Tomous » Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:24 pm

Squinty wrote:I agree that it is an absolute farce that neither company has disclosed the price.



Is it not possible that neither have decided yet given everything going on in the world?

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PostRe: Xbox Series X - The Worlds Most Powerful Console.
by DaveDS » Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:28 pm

Tomous wrote:
Squinty wrote:I agree that it is an absolute farce that neither company has disclosed the price.



Is it not possible that neither have decided yet given everything going on in the world?



They probably have decided on a price range and where exactly it lands might well be determined by who announces first and the public reactions to it.


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