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PostRe: Your favourite 3D platformers
by Jenuall » Sun Sep 29, 2024 7:32 pm

2D Sonic is very much a game about exploration

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PostRe: Your favourite 3D platformers
by Outrunner » Sun Sep 29, 2024 7:53 pm

And as much as some levels encourage speed you get a lot of levels where slower "standard" platforming is pretty much the norm

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PostRe: Your favourite 3D platformers
by shy guy 64 » Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:40 pm

Hmm 3D platformers are basically my favourite type of game so it may be a little hard to narrow it down but I'll have a go

Odyssey! no wait, 64! no, Sunshine! no, Galaxy! no, Galaxy 2! no, BK! no, Tooie! no, Billy Hatcher! no, Yooka Laylee! no A Hat in Time! AAAAAAH! *head explodes*

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PostRe: Your favourite 3D platformers
by deathofcows » Sun Sep 29, 2024 11:42 pm

Rapidly-Greying wrote:In this age of remakes and remasters, you'd think a ground up remake of SM64 using the Odyssey engine would be a no brainer for Nintendo to make.


No way Jose!

Odyssey is brilliant but 64 is still also brilliant with its own flavour of heavier, weightier, whoosh-sound-ier, belly-dive-ier, rocketing triple-jumpier feel compared with Odyssey.

Also that super-jump in a vertical tube thing in Jack&Daxter still looks and feels great!

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PostRe: Your favourite 3D platformers
by Victor Mildew » Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:07 am

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Rapidly-Greying wrote:In this age of remakes and remasters, you'd think a ground up remake of SM64 using the Odyssey engine would be a no brainer for Nintendo to make.


No way Jose!

Odyssey is brilliant but 64 is still also brilliant with its own flavour of heavier, weightier, whoosh-sound-ier, belly-dive-ier, rocketing triple-jumpier feel compared with Odyssey.

Also that super-jump in a vertical tube thing in Jack&Daxter still looks and feels great!


Great isn't it :wub:

I always love the little basketball power cell dunk animation. Also really impressive for the time was being able to see the other levels from the one you were currently in.

I don't want a remake of that game, but I want a sequel that's not all emo guns and stuff. Just give me a proper platformer again.

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PostRe: Your favourite 3D platformers
by Jenuall » Mon Sep 30, 2024 8:05 am

Early noughties was a weird time so I can understand how they would have felt the pressure to do something different with the sequels but it's still depressing how quickly they abandoned the Jak 1 formula for something which, IMO, is significantly worse. :cry:

Anyone with a PC who wants to revisit the original Jak would do well to check out the OpenGOAL project (https://opengoal.dev/) which is essentially a reimplementation of the games engine for modern platforms - basically lets you play the first game (and mostly the second with some issues) on PC taking advantage of better resolutions, framerates etc.

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PostRe: Your favourite 3D platformers
by Herdanos » Mon Sep 30, 2024 1:50 pm

Rocket Robot On Wheels was amazing but is sadly lost to limbo now. Released by Sucker Punch (the Infamous / Ghost of Tsushima lot) on N64 in 1999, published by UbiSoft. Lord knows what agreements would need to be made to secure a re-release.

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PostRe: Your favourite 3D platformers
by OrangeRKN » Mon Sep 30, 2024 2:12 pm

deathofcows wrote:With PS Plus I downloaded Jak and Daxter ... really enjoying it!


The unskippable cutscenes are the worst part about replaying Jak and Daxter, and especially the opening cutscene which is pretty lengthy. I love the characters and world, but sometimes I just want to play! Fortunately the rest of the series has skippable cutscenes, but while I adore all of the Jak games I suspect the sequels might not be to your taste - Jak II (which is probably my overall favourite) and Jak 3 are "variety platformers" as opposed to strict 3D platformers in the sense they are genre fluid, open world games with missions that are a whole mix of platforming, shooting (including on rails and twin stick), racing (of various kinds), skateboarding, arcade-style minigames, and even aerial combat.

I don't think the advanced moveset is tutorialised in Jak and Daxter but it's well worth playing with, especially knowing you value character game-feel. Spoilering just in case:

crouch + jump = high jump
crouch + punch = uppercut
punch + jump = punch followed by uppercut
roll + jump = long jump
long jump + x = high jump on landing


deathofcows wrote:Also (just to make this the most ORKN-y post ever) I also downloaded Klonoa because it's on PS Plus, too. I know it's 2.5D not 3D but that's fun too! (even though old PS1 graphics look cooler to me in the same way J&D looks pretty awesome to me even now!)


Is this your first time playing the original, after having played the remake? I do think the original looks the best with its distinctive 2D sprites on 3D environments. Of course it's also just a great game :wub:

Victor Mildew wrote:I don't want a remake of that game, but I want a sequel that's not all emo guns and stuff. Just give me a proper platformer again.


Daxter (PSP) recently got a PS5 release, it's the closest to the first game as a pure platformer and well worth playing!

I also really liked The Lost Frontier (PSP/PS2) which has a significant aerial dogfighting portion to it, and some pretty middling werehog-style "dark daxter" levels, but otherwise is again much more of a platformer as it drops the guns and brings back eco powers. Of the two though Daxter is definitely the one to play.

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PostRe: Your favourite 3D platformers
by Jenuall » Mon Sep 30, 2024 2:19 pm

I really tried to give Daxter a go but it's just a horrible experience playing a PSP game with the associated borked controls and visuals in 2024 on a big screen. It's also set in the Jak II era setting so therefore is inherently less interesting and likeable than Precursor Legacy!

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PostRe: Your favourite 3D platformers
by OrangeRKN » Mon Sep 30, 2024 2:25 pm

Yeah I don't know what the upscaling is like for TV play. Camera on L/R is fine though!

The mini-hub is very Jak II but the various levels are a good mix of locations - hotel, construction site, sewers, fish factory all fit well with the pest control theme. It's definitely much more colourful and closer to Precursor Legacy in tone.

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PostRe: Your favourite 3D platformers
by Jenuall » Mon Sep 30, 2024 3:52 pm

OrangeRKN wrote:Yeah I don't know what the upscaling is like for TV play. Camera on L/R is fine though!

The mini-hub is very Jak II but the various levels are a good mix of locations - hotel, construction site, sewers, fish factory all fit well with the pest control theme. It's definitely much more colourful and closer to Precursor Legacy in tone.

The upscaling was Not Good™

I might look into other means of playing it to see if those fare better...

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PostRe: Your favourite 3D platformers
by deathofcows » Tue Oct 01, 2024 9:44 pm

OrangeRKN wrote:
deathofcows wrote:With PS Plus I downloaded Jak and Daxter ... really enjoying it!

I don't think the advanced moveset is tutorialised in Jak and Daxter but it's well worth playing with, especially knowing you value character game-feel. Spoilering just in case:

crouch + jump = high jump
crouch + punch = uppercut
punch + jump = punch followed by uppercut
roll + jump = long jump
long jump + x = high jump on landing


deathofcows wrote:Also (just to make this the most ORKN-y post ever) I also downloaded Klonoa because it's on PS Plus, too. I know it's 2.5D not 3D but that's fun too! (even though old PS1 graphics look cooler to me in the same way J&D looks pretty awesome to me even now!)


Is this your first time playing the original, after having played the remake? I do think the original looks the best with its distinctive 2D sprites on 3D environments. Of course it's also just a great game :wub:


Great heads up on extra moves! Currently away but look forward to trying on getting back!

And sorry for my confusing message but it's actually the remake Klonoa I was playing on PS Plus! I've just looked up the old (PS1 and Wii) versions on YouTube.

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PostRe: Your favourite 3D platformers
by Herdanos » Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:36 pm

Jenuall wrote:Uh, it was bad enough when people were having the gall to include one Banjo game in their lists, but two of them? :dread:

Had a google around and found this site which lists 164 games that they categorise as 3D platformers: Every 3D Platformer Ever Made

I don't think it's exhaustive and the criteria they use is a bit different to OR's suggestion but it's an interest list. It does surprise me that there haven't been more of these games in the ~25 years that the genre has existed


Mario Sunshine is missing from this list, how odd

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PostRe: Your favourite 3D platformers
by JCDenton » Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:39 pm

Herdanos wrote:
Jenuall wrote:Uh, it was bad enough when people were having the gall to include one Banjo game in their lists, but two of them? :dread:

Had a google around and found this site which lists 164 games that they categorise as 3D platformers: Every 3D Platformer Ever Made

I don't think it's exhaustive and the criteria they use is a bit different to OR's suggestion but it's an interest list. It does surprise me that there haven't been more of these games in the ~25 years that the genre has existed


Mario Sunshine is missing from this list, how odd

What a shame

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PostRe: Your favourite 3D platformers
by OrangeRKN » Wed Oct 02, 2024 3:29 pm

I thought I'd total how many games from that list I've played and I came to 33/164, or 20% of the genre (obviously the list is a few years out of date and not exhaustive). Not too bad!

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PostRe: Your favourite 3D platformers
by Jenuall » Thu Oct 03, 2024 1:03 pm

I just tallied up mine now and spookily I've also played 33! I wonder how much overlap we've got, my list spoilered below if anyone is interested:

1995 – Bug!
1996 – Super Mario 64
1996 – Crash Bandicoot
1996 – Bubsy 3D
1997 – Croc: Legend of the Gobbos 
1998 – Gex: Enter the Gecko
1998 – Banjo-Kazooie
1998 – Spyro the Dragon
1998 – Glover 
1998 – Sonic Adventure
1999 – Rayman 2: The Great Escape
1999 – Donkey Kong 64
2000 – Banjo-Tooie
2001 – Conker’s Bad Fur Day 
2001 – Sonic Adventure 2 
2001 – Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy 
2002 – Ratchet & Clank (Original)
2003 – Rayman 3: Hoodlum Havoc
2003 – Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg
2003 – Jak II
2003 – Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando
2004 – Jak 3
2005 – Psychonauts
2006 – Daxter
2007 – Super Mario Galaxy
2011 – Sonic Generations
2013 – Super Mario 3D World 
2016 – Ratchet & Clank (Remastered)
2017 – Yooka-Laylee
2017 – Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy
2017 – Super Lucky’s Tale
2017 – A Hat in Time
2017 – Super Mario Odyssey


It is a bit of an odd list really, seems quite arbitrary around what is included and what isn't (why no Sonic Heroes or Unleashed for example?!)

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PostRe: Your favourite 3D platformers
by Lotus » Fri Oct 04, 2024 12:52 pm

I'm playing Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy again for the first time since I originally completed it about 20 years ago :dread:
It's great though, really enjoying it, and I'd forgotten so much about it that it's like playing it for the first time again.

Victor Mildew wrote:I always love the little basketball power cell dunk animation.

I love that too - so satisfying to watch.

Love 3D platformers in general. Here's the ones I've played from that big list, although there are some on there that I own but haven't yet played.

1996 – Super Mario 64
1996 – Crash Bandicoot
1997 – Croc: Legend of the Gobbos
1998 – Gex: Enter the Gecko
1998 – Banjo-Kazooie
1998 – Spyro the Dragon
1998 – Glover
1998 – A Bug’s Life
1998 – Sonic Adventure
1999 – Kingsley’s Adventure
1999 – Rayman 2: The Great Escape
1999 – Rocket: Robot on Wheels
1999 – 40 Winks
1999 – Donkey Kong 64
2000 – Banjo-Tooie
2001 – Conker’s Bad Fur Day
2001 – Sonic Adventure 2
2001 – Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy
2002 – Sly Cooper and the Thievius Racoonus
2002 – Ratchet & Clank (Original)
2003 – Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg
2005 – Psychonauts
2006 – Sonic the Hedgehog
2007 – Super Mario Galaxy
2010 – Super Mario Galaxy 2
2011 – Sonic Generations
2017 – Poi
2017 – Snake Pass
2017 – Super Lucky’s Tale


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