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PostRe: Use of forum software different to PhpBB
by Minty14 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:11 pm

I did look into the possibility of using something lime imgur as a hosting "back end" but unfortunately, the only built in option is to use S3 (which wouldn't alleviate any fears around legal issues), and there weren't any suitable plugins as far as I could tell.

It's understandable that a site the size of ours would find it difficult to deal with DMCAs etc, but if we chose to make use of self-hosting, I guess we would just need strict user policies and perhaps disabling for new users etc.

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by OrangeRKN » Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:18 pm

Karl makes v.good points

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PostRe: Use of forum software different to PhpBB
by Cheeky Devlin » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:02 pm

Minty14 wrote:
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Minty14 wrote:I'd be interested to know why it's being blocked. I doubt it's my domain as it's not being used for anything else that's publicly accessible. Did you see what the reason was? You usually get a categorisation or reason on the splash page that says it's blocked.

Seems to have it under "URL Categories: Web Mail", which is certainly odd.

Yeah, not sure I've ever even had mail services on that domain. Which software is picking it up?

For what it's worth, the filter at my work already picks grcade.co.uk up as games related and blocks it, so I guess it's always going to be pot luck.


McAfee Web Gateway is the offender here. Bastard.

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PostRe: Use of forum software different to PhpBB
by Green Gecko » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:09 pm

Tbh I've considered self-hosting images for several years, as we have the space and bandwidth, but I'm very concerned about personal liability. If we were a limited company or whatever, that might be a bit different, but I could be liable for someone uploading child pornography or whatever, so I can't really say yes to that at the minute. I don't mind using a third party service but not sure can host stuff under my own name with 100% access to anyone to exploit. The thing is people can upload stuff and then not post the embed, and share that link, creating a black box that traces back to us. We'd need machine learning or something to detect pornographic images as we'd never be able to vet every single thing that gets uploaded.

Just understand there's a big difference between a registered company/org being queried by police or rights holder for an image and a person; the later can go very wrong and very expensive whereas the former you just hire a lawyer and throw money at it without it ever touching you legally.

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by Errkal » Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:08 am

OrangeRKN wrote:Is image hosting something we want to do? I don't know how quickly we'll eat up disk space with that available to everyone, rather than relying on imgur or whatever

Imgur has APIs for uploading without the use having an account. We could take advantage of that. The app used it for quite a while.
It all uploaded to a GR account into a unlisted library and spat you back the image url.

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PostRe: Use of forum software different to PhpBB
by Pedz » Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:02 am

I remember reading that spoilered stuff still loads. I was wondering if there was a way of doing it so spoilered stuff only loads when the spoiler is opened? It means people can browse without worry of something NSFW popping up for them.while working etc? It won't effect me, but itay be beneficial for many others.

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by Green Gecko » Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:54 pm

That would require some pretty hot AJAX/real-time DB query stuff. It's possible, but not super easy. It's also kinda dodgy security wise because you're letting client-side code access database content, which could be used for a code injection attack and infect the site with a virus or porn/spam links etc.. But it's something I've thought about before. One nice thing about Discourse is it probably has some better developers attached to it who are more with the times but I still reckon it's unlikely to exist in their community add-ons etc.

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PostRe: Use of forum software different to PhpBB
by Errkal » Sat Jul 27, 2019 5:28 am

Green Gecko wrote:That would require some pretty hot AJAX/real-time DB query stuff. It's possible, but not super easy. It's also kinda dodgy security wise because you're letting client-side code access database content, which could be used for a code injection attack and infect the site with a virus or porn/spam links etc.. But it's something I've thought about before. One nice thing about Discourse is it probably has some better developers attached to it who are more with the times but I still reckon it's unlikely to exist in their community add-ons etc.


It could be done with an API, not sure details like but, the api would do the DB and the AJAX code would access the API, thereby prevent client side access to the DB.

In no way an easy build though and slightly over kill I feel.

It would probably be easier to add a url query string for ?content=on or something and in the code have an

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if (request.querystring[“content”].ToString()) {

// code for image

} else {

// code for button to put query string in and reload page

}


Sorry the code being in c# it how I spend my days now so currently how I think code wise.

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PostRe: Use of forum software different to PhpBB
by Green Gecko » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:54 pm

Yes, that's clever using an API to abstract the DB for access via JS. That would certainly be my preferred way of doing it. Not sure about performance issues as doesn't that mean every single post containing a spoiler has to be processed twice. I guess that's only a few % and we have plenty of horsepower that isn't utilised.

A totally "safe for work" forum would be pretty cool, as corporate firewalls just couldn't detect stuff posted by people who spoiler it accordingly. Just as a way to get around stupid authoritarianism I mean, not actual bad things. I doubt there are many IT managers in history who actually care about content filtering unless its to avoid viruses etc.

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PostRe: Use of forum software different to PhpBB
by Errkal » Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:47 am

You clearly haven't met many security architects and engineers.

They are a strawberry floating nightmare, if you can block it they want to do it. The ones at work currently are blocking the download of all exe files, zip files, and any other archive for that matter.

They also like the idea right now of looking at how they can stop Windows 10 of the ability to compile code and things.

They are different breed of human that has no interest if people can work or access resources they need and only about preventing data breaches and stuff.

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PostRe: Use of forum software different to PhpBB
by Winckle » Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:38 pm

I know what you mean, we have people like that where I work as an email admin. They ask me if I can disable "legacy email protocols" like SMTP. I tell them, "sure, I can, but have you considered the impact this would have?". "No. What would turning it off do?" :fp:

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PostRe: Use of forum software different to PhpBB
by Green Gecko » Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:35 pm

:lol: Well most people wouldn't be able to send e-mails from the client of their choice, for one.

Yeah, I've never met anyone like that. I've always just assumed it's a company policy thing, ban all teh pr0ns. Or maybe I hang around with too many IT people who grew up as hackers/makers/pirates and got into it that way.

I've come up against cannot send or download ZIPs, that's a real arse. Especially since it makes perfect sense along with strict size restrictions like 4mb etc. because there are lots of data types that compress well and are damaged beyond use if compressed too much, or cannot be compressed and so have to be sent with something totally external and outside of company control like everyone and their dog sending gooseberry fool with WeTransfer et al.

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