Election 2021: Who did you vote for?

[OrangeRKN]

I'm so glad someone is finally calling out Karl for being a misogynist and Tineash as a white supremacy apologist. I always knew they were wrong uns.

[OrangeRKN]

I'm also very happy that post is top of the new page

[Oblomov Boblomov]

Is it time for OrangeRKN's daily punch in the face? Get 'im!

[Moggy]

Muslim women as "letterboxes"

Are you saying you're okay with women being forced by a patriarchal culture to wear clothes that dehumanise them and earmark them as some man's property?

I don't like Boris but any civilised person ought to find this egregious, yet it's constantly given a free pass by those who claim to be on the side of women.

As it turns out, the sexual revolution was just for white women.

How does calling a group of women "letterboxes" help them in any way?

Not all women that wear burqas are forced to do so.

[Green Gecko]

What's "pro women" mean?

Feminism is an equal rights movement, no? Sorry, only that phrase struck me as a bit weird.

It's not only women who benefit from women's rights. I'm not sure what pro women means because it suggests anti-men which is... Well, I'd rather not go there.

[VlaSoul]

BonalityMatrix, you keep taking one fact and using it to jump to a totally different conclusion, without any merit whatsoever.

We don't like it when people insult Muslim women. How does that mean we therefore support oppression of Muslim women?

We don't like it that this country is full of racist people. How does that mean we therefore believe this country is the most racist one on the planet?

It just seems to me that, for a community that's pro-women and anti-racist, you might have your priorities a bit jumbled.

I understand your point here and this is an issue I generally have with western leftists, but you've posted a bunch of low effort "gotcha's" that are kind of dishonest in your logic and then at a couple of points acted sanctimonious in your responses. This is a thread about local elections, local politics. Logically we will focus on local issues. Women being stoned to death in other countries doesn't make it so that we can't talk about social problems that exist in this country.

You bring up japanese xenophobia and yes that is an issue, but they're an ethnostate anyway and even discounting that, this is a thread about politics in the context of the UK. In general your logic is questionable; surely I can be against forcing women to dress based on stupid ancient traditions while also being against dumb banana splits having a go at them for choosing to dress the way they want. You're basically asking us to condemn everything that doesn't directly pertain to what we're talking about whenever we make a point about something marginally related, or you're asking us to completely ignore the problems facing us locally.

[Knoyleo]

What's "pro women" mean?

Feminism is an equal rights movement, no? Sorry, only that phrase struck me as a bit weird.

It's not only women who benefit from women's rights. I'm not sure what pro women means because it suggests anti-men which is... Well, I'd rather not go there.

Wasn't this bonality's original argument pages back? That a policy aimed at female prisoners was inherently sexist and anti men because they weren't included. Have we come full circle now?

[BonalityMatrix]

Point taken, but "ethnostate" just sounds like an excuse to me. The rest of the world is allowed to cling onto the notion of "one nation, one race"?

[Dig Dug]

Britain is a white supremacist country built on class divides and colonialism. To fight for the rights of marginalised groups is to go against the tide by default.

That is absurdly hysterical. Britain is one of the most diverse and inclusive societies on earth. Certainly much more so than, say, Japan (which I'm sure routinely gets ignored/excused on here). You'd see that if you had a global perspective, not a western one.

I’ve lived in Japan and stay in regular contact with the people I met there both Japanese and expat but please do go off about how I lack a global mindset.

[Victor Mildew]

What's "pro women" mean?

It's a woman who is skilled enough at being a woman that she can now make a living from being one (rather than it just being a hobby), often landing lucrative sponsorship deals and then later in life, commentary roles.

[VlaSoul]

Point taken, but "ethnostate" just sounds like an excuse to me. The rest of the world is allowed to cling onto the notion of "one nation, one race"?

No not really. The idea of globalism, or at least of alternate-globalism/global revolution is that the idea of "one nation one race" eventually erodes away as the tide of progress sweeps away such notions.

[Green Gecko]

What's "pro women" mean?

Feminism is an equal rights movement, no? Sorry, only that phrase struck me as a bit weird.

It's not only women who benefit from women's rights. I'm not sure what pro women means because it suggests anti-men which is... Well, I'd rather not go there.

Wasn't this bonality's original argument pages back? That a policy aimed at female prisoners was inherently sexist and anti men because they weren't included. Have we come full circle now?

To be honest I haven't spotted that because I can't be bothered to decode the waterfall of assumptions played out over several pages already.

I try to avoid circular discussions but yeah if you've identified that, I'm gonna pass.

[Green Gecko]

What's "pro women" mean?

It's a woman who is skilled enough at being a woman that she can now make a living from being one (rather than it just being a hobby), often landing lucrative sponsorship deals and then later in life, commentary roles.

to be honest that's a pretty accurate however farcical description of how women have been sidelined throughout art history for example as "just having a good old go at something, but nothing really serious because they're not a man".

[Moggy]

Point taken, but "ethnostate" just sounds like an excuse to me. The rest of the world is allowed to cling onto the notion of "one nation, one race"?

There's not really much we can do about Japanese immigration policies.

[OrangeRKN]

Are you saying you're okay with women being forced by a patriarchal culture to wear clothes that dehumanise them and earmark them as some man's property?

are you saying a country like Poland is less "white supremacist" than Britain?

The rest of the world is allowed to cling onto the notion of "one nation, one race"?

Bonality isn't going to post in good faith or try to actually engage in debate so posting well-reasoned rebuttals is just one big waste of time. He will just continue to invent positions no one holds but posed as questions so he can switch track to whatever point he chooses while ignoring any counterpoint actually raised.

[Rocsteady]

Aberdeen and the NE of Scotland showing huge swings to the Tories from the SNP

[Jenuall]

Wait so Boris was actually being a racist misogynist to help those women? It’s all so clear now!

[Cuttooth]

Aberdeen and the NE of Scotland showing huge swings to the Tories from the SNP

Classic Aberdeen.

[Green Gecko]

That Ocarina of Time scarecrow I never figured out what I was meant to do with some of those!

[Oblomov Boblomov]

The idea of English people voting Conservative is bad enough but at least there is a twatty logic to it. What the strawberry float are the Scottish and Welsh doing voting for them?!

I've not felt the urge to hit the bottle like this for months and months. Not since the 2019 elections I guess. Oh well, hangover tomorrow so I'll miss my Saturday morning run and feel even shittier.