Politics Thread 6

Fed up talking videogames? Why?

Who will you vote for at the next General Election?

Conservative
11
8%
Labour
53
40%
Liberal Democrat
27
21%
Green
20
15%
SNP
12
9%
Brexit Party
2
2%
UKIP
2
2%
Plaid Cymru
2
2%
DUP
0
No votes
Sinn Fein
2
2%
The Independent Group for Change
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 131
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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Moggy » Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:57 pm

twitter.com/adambienkov/status/1463886950704820232



Famously there was no crime at all before 2016.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Rex Kramer » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:26 pm

Or every crime committed before that point was by a women who just didn't have someone on TV to look up to.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by The Watching Artist » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:45 pm

Knew it was all Chibbers fault FFS :x :x :x

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:57 pm

It's his ridiculous "Is there any wonder?" rhetorical question at the end that gets me. strawberry floating bellend. They know exactly what they're doing, and the most depressing thing is that it works to a huge extent.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Moggy » Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:05 pm

twitter.com/jimmfelton/status/1463914188984799233



It's even funnier that he strawberry floated up the graph. :lol:

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Prototype » Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:11 pm

I get his point but strawberry float that graph makes my head hurt :lol:

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by poshrule_uk » Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:51 pm

Moggy wrote:

twitter.com/adambienkov/status/1463886950704820232



Famously there was no crime at all before 2016.


I really want the next James Bond to be a woman so I can see everyone lose there gooseberry fool

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Stuart » Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:11 pm

His wider point is valid - popular media reflects that men are sometimes pushed aside or dismissed as role models, in this modern politically-correct era. Though I think ones immediate family & peers has a much greater influence on your life outcome than which actor is portraying Doctor Who or the Ghostbusters.

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by Moggy » Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:15 pm

Stuart wrote:His wider point is valid - popular media reflects that men are sometimes pushed aside or dismissed as role models, in this modern politically-correct era.


Are they? Do you have any examples?

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Dowbocop » Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:19 pm

Sorry lads, you can't be a Jedi Knight when you grow up because of the WOKE LEFT.

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by Stuart » Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:36 pm

Moggy wrote:
Stuart wrote:His wider point is valid - popular media reflects that men are sometimes pushed aside or dismissed as role models, in this modern politically-correct era.


Are they? Do you have any examples?


Men perform worse in school, die younger, have higher suicide rates, are more often the victims of violence, and had higher mortality from covid. Yet these topics get little attention in the media or from politicans. Even the idea of a focus on "Mens Issues" in parliament was laughed at by a female MP.

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by Prototype » Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:38 pm

Moggy wrote:
Stuart wrote:His wider point is valid - popular media reflects that men are sometimes pushed aside or dismissed as role models, in this modern politically-correct era.


Are they? Do you have any examples?


international women's day celebrates all the great women and things women have done

international men's day is a reminder that men should speak up and not commit suicide

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Moggy » Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:48 pm

Stuart wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Stuart wrote:His wider point is valid - popular media reflects that men are sometimes pushed aside or dismissed as role models, in this modern politically-correct era.


Are they? Do you have any examples?


Men perform worse in school, die younger, have higher suicide rates, are more often the victims of violence, and had higher mortality from covid. Yet these topics get little attention in the media or from politicans. Even the idea of a focus on "Mens Issues" in parliament was laughed at by a female MP.


None of those things have anything to do with strong male role models though. Unless you think those things have gotten worse since female representation increased?

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Moggy » Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:51 pm

Prototype wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Stuart wrote:His wider point is valid - popular media reflects that men are sometimes pushed aside or dismissed as role models, in this modern politically-correct era.


Are they? Do you have any examples?


international women's day celebrates all the great women and things women have done

international men's day is a reminder that men should speak up and not commit suicide


Women's achievements have historically been overlooked. It's a good thing there is a celebration of those achievements.

Men's issues have historically been overlooked. It's a good thing mens problems are highlighted and that men are encouraged to speak up.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Stuart » Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:51 pm

They're examples of men being overlooked in society, in favour of trendier causes. I already stated that I don't think role models in films makes much difference to someones life chances.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Return_of_the_STAR » Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:59 pm

Don't forget that men are overwhelmingly the victims of violent crime. Obviously the cause most of it as well :lol:

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Moggy » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:13 pm

Stuart wrote:They're examples of men being overlooked in society, in favour of trendier causes. I already stated that I don't think role models in films makes much difference to someones life chances.


Do you have evidence that men are overlooked in favour of "trendier causes"?

Because all the issues you mentioned (other than covid) have been issues for decades.

I mentioned role models (I didn't mention movies) as this whole conversation is about what the MP said.

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by Stuart » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:18 pm

Moggy wrote:
Stuart wrote:They're examples of men being overlooked in society, in favour of trendier causes. I already stated that I don't think role models in films makes much difference to someones life chances.


Do you have evidence that men are overlooked in favour of "trendier causes"?

Because all the issues you mentioned (other than covid) have been issues for decades.

I mentioned role models (I didn't mention movies) as this whole conversation is about what the MP said.


Yes, I have observed this to be the case. Topical article from the Spectator on this subject: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/whe ... ome-toxic-

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by Moggy » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:35 pm

Stuart wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Stuart wrote:They're examples of men being overlooked in society, in favour of trendier causes. I already stated that I don't think role models in films makes much difference to someones life chances.


Do you have evidence that men are overlooked in favour of "trendier causes"?

Because all the issues you mentioned (other than covid) have been issues for decades.

I mentioned role models (I didn't mention movies) as this whole conversation is about what the MP said.


Yes, I have observed this to be the case. Topical article from the Spectator on this subject: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/whe ... ome-toxic-


You've observed? That's not evidence.

Nor is that dreadful article.

But Cumberbatch taps into a deeper cultural trend too when he writes off stereotypically masculine values as toxic. Qualities such as courage, stoicism, strength, resilience, independence and assertiveness have become unfashionable with the cultural elite Cumberbatch very much represents. Far better, they tell us, to be gentle, caring, in touch with our emotions, open to displaying our vulnerabilities and sharing our struggles with mental health. Stoicism has given way to emotional incontinence.

But there’s a problem with this. Cumberbatch and his acting chums may do well out of public emoting but people who have to work in dangerous, physically demanding and poorly paid jobs, not so much. If I’m ever unfortunate enough to find myself trapped in a burning building, I want someone brave, strong and assertive to come to my rescue, not someone who is going to shed a tear over patriarchal social norms before asking me if I really want to be saved.


It's great she wants a brave, strong and assertive man to save her from a burning building. But it's not helpful for male suicide and for men dying younger (some of your points from earlier) to encourage men to turn towards stoicism and independence. And it's certainly not helpful to encourage strength, resilience and assertiveness to stop violence against men, as RoTS points out, when men are usually the ones perpetrating the violence.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Stuart » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:39 pm

Moggy wrote:You've observed? That's not evidence.

Nor is that dreadful article.


This isn't Question Time, you & other posters don't provide "evidence" for every opinion you hold. Trying to "gotcha" other forum posters with opposing views is not necessary.


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