Israel-Gaza Conflict

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by Godzilla » Tue Feb 27, 2024 8:33 am

No coverage on BBC News website around the US serviceman who set himself on fire.

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by OrangeRKN » Tue Feb 27, 2024 8:39 am


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by Imrahil » Tue Feb 27, 2024 8:46 am

The BBC website's really not that great. Articles often get inexplicably buried at a moment's notice, shunted all over the place. Then reappear later.

It's easy to miss latest news events.

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Tue Feb 27, 2024 12:21 pm

Imrahil wrote:The BBC website's really not that great. Articles often get inexplicably buried at a moment's notice, shunted all over the place. Then reappear later.

It's easy to miss latest news events.


Yeah this. It's very strange. When I saw his comment I thought hang on I definitely saw it, had a look and couldn't see it. Just check again and it's there.

They also put some stories in their live feeds making it really hard to find again.

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by Rocsteady » Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:33 am

Israeli troops clearly been shooting to death Palestinian civilians trying to access food supplies.

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by Cuttooth » Sat Mar 02, 2024 8:06 pm

Rocsteady wrote:Israeli troops clearly been shooting to death Palestinian civilians trying to access food supplies.

The US response to this is to start a campaign of airdropping in aid to Gaza rather than put any kind of pressure onto Netanyahu and his far right allies, which is absolutely ridiculous.

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by KK » Sat Mar 02, 2024 8:26 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Imrahil wrote:The BBC website's really not that great. Articles often get inexplicably buried at a moment's notice, shunted all over the place. Then reappear later.

It's easy to miss latest news events.


Yeah this. It's very strange. When I saw his comment I thought hang on I definitely saw it, had a look and couldn't see it. Just check again and it's there.

They also put some stories in their live feeds making it really hard to find again.

Noticed this the other day with the price rises on Royal Mail stamps; about 2 hours after it had been on the front page it had vanished - ended up going through Google News.

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by Cuttooth » Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:16 pm

The UN Security Council has just passed a resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza and the unconditional release of all hostages. All members voted in favour, including the UK, with the exception of the US abstaining.

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by Qikz » Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:44 pm

Failure would be unforgivable. What're they going to do? It's good this has finally happened, but I doubt this will lead to anything.

As long as America is abstaining/is within vetoing reach the UN can't really do anything about Israel.

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by Monkey Man » Sat Mar 30, 2024 8:33 pm

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by Cuttooth » Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:57 am

twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1775040074461147572



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The World Central Kitchen and American Near East Refugee Aid charities have both now stopped providing aid in Gaza as a result of this attack.

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by Hexx » Tue Apr 02, 2024 1:06 pm

Nothing will happen (other than aid ceasing, which you can only believe is in the intent behind this targetted murder.)

Compare that with the haste that a aid agency was defunded after unproved and unevidenced claims from Israel.

We just have to live with the despair fact our country is actively supporting a feral genocidal regime. There's no consequences for anyone.

Israel are escalating across the region breaking new international laws in new territories seemingly daily. There's no one going to stop the taps on their massive funding or weapons for "defense", and the vague language appealing for restraint is clearly not meant hot air.

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by Albert » Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:49 pm

You know when you did History at School, and you read about some past awful atrocity (Slavery, War etc) and you would think to yourself, "No way that could happen today, the people/world just wouldn't stand for it...."

I have never known so many people who I like/respect etc, who seem to still be supporting Israel. I feel like I'm in some strange Twilight Zone episode.

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by <]:^D » Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:44 pm

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"
i want to make it very clear i have not done anything to counter Israel so i am not casting myself in any positive moral light here

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by Ironhide » Tue Apr 02, 2024 4:44 pm

Albert wrote:You know when you did History at School, and you read about some past awful atrocity (Slavery, War etc) and you would think to yourself, "No way that could happen today, the people/world just wouldn't stand for it...."

I have never known so many people who I like/respect etc, who seem to still be supporting Israel. I feel like I'm in some strange Twilight Zone episode.


I know, it's bizarre.

If any other countries government and/or military were doing this there'd be international condemnation instead of the current "Israel has the right to defend itself" spineless handwringing.

Defending yourself by bombing a region for several months and letting hundreds of thousands starve to death (while attacking hospitals and aid workers in the process) isn't really the best form of defense, there's no excuse for it.

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by Moggy » Tue Apr 02, 2024 4:48 pm

"But but but Hamas use human shields!"

Maybe, but that's a reason to not blow them up.

"But but but the hostages!"

We all want to see any hostages returned safe. But as above, blowing the gooseberry fool out of Gaza isn't the best way of getting them back safely.

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by Cuttooth » Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:37 pm

Albert wrote:You know when you did History at School, and you read about some past awful atrocity (Slavery, War etc) and you would think to yourself, "No way that could happen today, the people/world just wouldn't stand for it...."

I have never known so many people who I like/respect etc, who seem to still be supporting Israel. I feel like I'm in some strange Twilight Zone episode.

Yeah, we do tend to see the past as an entirely different world but on the whole people now are still pretty similar to a century ago. There were plenty more people with progressive ideas in the distant past than we generally give credit to and I don't feel there's a logical reason for us to think that the horrors of various atrocities can be consigned to being a series of dark chapters of human history. A population can still be conditioned to consider a group of people as being less human and being less entitled to the level of human rights as they are, and that hasn't really stopped being the case across the world despite the post-WW2 liberal international order. I think there's also an ingrained element of feeling here that conflict in certain parts of the world is just the natural order of things.

A lot of people who are outside of the actual conflict also like to advise others that this is too complicated a situation to have any real kind of opinion on or that there is nothing that can be done to stop this conflict on the international stage. Sure, a generations long dispute over a population being forced from their territory is going to be extremely difficult to resolve, but the average person sees cities being made unliveable or children being deliberately sniped at and it doesn't feel like being opposed to that is really a very complicated position to hold at all. Israeli politicians made it abundantly clear within days of Hamas' 7th October terror attacks what the scale of their military's response would be. Their allies in the US, UK, EU, and elsewhere were explicit that they would have their unwavering backing and resources to carry out all manner of actions that most people would rightly identify as being inhumane, if not outright war crimes or potential acts of genocide.

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PostRe: Israel-Gaza Conflict
by Hexx » Tue Apr 02, 2024 8:22 pm

I think you can maybe take some comfort from the fact despite the overwhelming pressure from the establishment and a compliant media - the anti-genocide message seems to be gaining traction, especially with the young.

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by Alvin Flummux » Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:31 am

So the World Central Kitchen personnel were known by the IDF, they gave them their coordinates, and their three vehicle convoy was subjected to intentional attack by the IOF, three times.

Then the IOF turns around and says "Oopsy! Can we have more Hellfire missiles, Mister Biden, pwease?"

Now they're trying to silence Al Jazeera, whose coverage of this genocidal campaign has been illuminating and damning.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... -netanyahu

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PostRe: Israel-Gaza Conflict
by Albert » Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:24 am

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Albert wrote:You know when you did History at School, and you read about some past awful atrocity (Slavery, War etc) and you would think to yourself, "No way that could happen today, the people/world just wouldn't stand for it...."

I have never known so many people who I like/respect etc, who seem to still be supporting Israel. I feel like I'm in some strange Twilight Zone episode.

Yeah, we do tend to see the past as an entirely different world but on the whole people now are still pretty similar to a century ago. There were plenty more people with progressive ideas in the distant past than we generally give credit to and I don't feel there's a logical reason for us to think that the horrors of various atrocities can be consigned to being a series of dark chapters of human history. A population can still be conditioned to consider a group of people as being less human and being less entitled to the level of human rights as they are, and that hasn't really stopped being the case across the world despite the post-WW2 liberal international order. I think there's also an ingrained element of feeling here that conflict in certain parts of the world is just the natural order of things.

A lot of people who are outside of the actual conflict also like to advise others that this is too complicated a situation to have any real kind of opinion on or that there is nothing that can be done to stop this conflict on the international stage. Sure, a generations long dispute over a population being forced from their territory is going to be extremely difficult to resolve, but the average person sees cities being made unliveable or children being deliberately sniped at and it doesn't feel like being opposed to that is really a very complicated position to hold at all. Israeli politicians made it abundantly clear within days of Hamas' 7th October terror attacks what the scale of their military's response would be. Their allies in the US, UK, EU, and elsewhere were explicit that they would have their unwavering backing and resources to carry out all manner of actions that most people would rightly identify as being inhumane, if not outright war crimes or potential acts of genocide.


Good post, if thoroughly depressing.

I'm so glad I am not dating that Israeli girl I saw back in my 20s, I am convinced it would have lead to divorce over what is currently going on over there. Its very difficult to have any form of conversation without being branded antisemitic, which is just a distraction technique and very reductive.


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