Politics Thread 7: THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER - General Election 04/07/24

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Who will you vote for at the next General Election?

Conservatives
8
7%
Labour
74
61%
SNP
6
5%
Lib Dems
7
6%
DUP
1
1%
Sinn Fein
1
1%
Plaid Cymru
2
2%
SDLP
0
No votes
Alba
0
No votes
Greens
18
15%
Alliance
0
No votes
Other
4
3%
 
Total votes: 121
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PostRe: Politics Thread 7: THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER - General Election 04/07/24
by Parksey » Sat May 25, 2024 11:03 pm

National service ended in 1960, so I'm guessing anyone who actually did it must be about 82 or younger. We all know the demographic that will lap this up - the group of voters who will happily see another generation inflicted with things they never had to deal with.

A generation where a certain proportion want to bring up the drawbridge behind them at every opportunity and protect and hoard what they've got (what they've been given or lucky to get from the society they lived in).

Can't wait until these people are in the strawberry floating ground.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 7: THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER - General Election 04/07/24
by Garth » Sat May 25, 2024 11:09 pm

Votes at 16 and a national network of Young Futures hubs to help young people, vs national service for all 18 year olds.

Pretty stark difference there.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 7: THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER - General Election 04/07/24
by Lex-Man » Sat May 25, 2024 11:10 pm

I swear there's some kind of Weekend at Bernie's comedy going on and we're not aware. Like if Sunak doesn't lose his seat in the next election he'll lose all his money.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 7: THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER - General Election 04/07/24
by Garth » Sat May 25, 2024 11:15 pm

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PostRe: Politics Thread 7: THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER - General Election 04/07/24
by Tomous » Sat May 25, 2024 11:18 pm

mcjihge2 wrote:
Tomous wrote:
Garth wrote:

twitter.com/lara_spirit/status/1794303104198103501




If you're old enough to work and be taxed then you're old enough to vote, in my opinion.


If you study GCSEs, and take public transport then youre old enough to vote.


Well no. Those things are irrelevant. But if your income is taxed you should get a say in how it is spent. No taxation without representation.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 7: THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER - General Election 04/07/24
by captain red dog » Sat May 25, 2024 11:20 pm

I'm starting to think Sunak is desperate to lose this election, even Tory commentators are against this. Their campaign has been an utter disaster and it's only been 3 days.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 7: THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER - General Election 04/07/24
by Van Foster » Sat May 25, 2024 11:24 pm

The 2024 general election starring Rishi Sunak as Max Bialystock.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 7: THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER - General Election 04/07/24
by mcjihge2 » Sun May 26, 2024 4:06 am

Tomous wrote:
mcjihge2 wrote:
Tomous wrote:
Garth wrote:

twitter.com/lara_spirit/status/1794303104198103501




If you're old enough to work and be taxed then you're old enough to vote, in my opinion.


If you study GCSEs, and take public transport then youre old enough to vote.


Well no. Those things are irrelevant. But if your income is taxed you should get a say in how it is spent. No taxation without representation.


No. Those things are relevant. Education and transport policy is totally of concern to young people. Among many other things. I agree that if you are old enough to work and be taxed then youre old enough to vote. But do you disagree that those in eduction should not have the power to affect what and how they are educated?

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PostRe: Politics Thread 7: THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER - General Election 04/07/24
by mcjihge2 » Sun May 26, 2024 4:10 am

Parksey wrote:National service ended in 1960, so I'm guessing anyone who actually did it must be about 82 or younger. We all know the demographic that will lap this up - the group of voters who will happily see another generation inflicted with things they never had to deal with.

A generation where a certain proportion want to bring up the drawbridge behind them at every opportunity and protect and hoard what they've got (what they've been given or lucky to get from the society they lived in).

Can't wait until these people are in the strawberry floating ground.


^^^ Ironically, i'd vote for national service for everyone upto the age of 82 please.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 7: THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER - General Election 04/07/24
by Moggy » Sun May 26, 2024 6:55 am

Tomous wrote:
mcjihge2 wrote:
Tomous wrote:
Garth wrote:

twitter.com/lara_spirit/status/1794303104198103501




If you're old enough to work and be taxed then you're old enough to vote, in my opinion.


If you study GCSEs, and take public transport then youre old enough to vote.


Well no. Those things are irrelevant. But if your income is taxed you should get a say in how it is spent. No taxation without representation.


There's no age limit on paying tax. A 7 year old child actor would be paying tax.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 7: THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER - General Election 04/07/24
by Rex Kramer » Sun May 26, 2024 6:59 am

They key point for me in Sunaks back of an envelope national service policy is the helping out in the community. It's just a cheap way to get (unskilled) labour in services that have been hollowed out by 14 years of Tory underfunding.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 7: THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER - General Election 04/07/24
by Carlos » Sun May 26, 2024 7:50 am

Parksey wrote:National service ended in 1960, so I'm guessing anyone who actually did it must be about 82 or younger. We all know the demographic that will lap this up - the group of voters who will happily see another generation inflicted with things they never had to deal with.

A generation where a certain proportion want to bring up the drawbridge behind them at every opportunity and protect and hoard what they've got (what they've been given or lucky to get from the society they lived in).

Can't wait until these people are in the strawberry floating ground.


Don’t tarnish them all. My neighbour is 84 and she’s a left-wing firebrand with nothing good to say about the Tories at all. We had some great conversations about Boris during lockdown over the garden fence!

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PostRe: Politics Thread 7: THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER - General Election 04/07/24
by Vermilion » Sun May 26, 2024 8:50 am

Rishi has completely lost the plot, his ideas just seem to go from bad to worse, it's like he wants to lose this election and so comes up with the biggest voter turn offs he can think of.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 7: THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER - General Election 04/07/24
by Moggy » Sun May 26, 2024 9:01 am

Vermilion wrote:Rishi has completely lost the plot, his ideas just seem to go from bad to worse, it's like he wants to lose this election and so comes up with the biggest voter turn offs he can think of.


TRUST IN THE PLAN!

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PostRe: Politics Thread 7: THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER - General Election 04/07/24
by SEP » Sun May 26, 2024 9:24 am

Moggy wrote:
Vermilion wrote:Rishi has completely lost the plot, his ideas just seem to go from bad to worse, it's like he wants to lose this election and so comes up with the biggest voter turn offs he can think of.


TRUST IN THE PLAN!


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PostRe: Politics Thread 7: THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER - General Election 04/07/24
by Dowbocop » Sun May 26, 2024 9:32 am

Rex Kramer wrote:They key point for me in Sunaks back of an envelope national service policy is the helping out in the community. It's just a cheap way to get (unskilled) labour in services that have been hollowed out by 14 years of Tory underfunding.

I've worked in several NHS services that used volunteers - in my current role they were all clinically vulnerable so we sent them home during Covid and ended up not bringing them back (for reasons from above I do not know).

The roles they could perform were very limited - they had no clinical training so to speak and in many cases in the most recent role I mentioned above they had disabilities that meant they couldn't do much more than greeting patients and doing some light admin. In London we had more able bodied people who could do more complex roles mixed with some younger kids - but they all wanted to go to medical school so it was basically work experience for them. This was important and valuable for us (and for them) but flooding the workplace with a hundred untrained eighteen year olds on secondment for a couple of months isn't going to help any public service. At all. If my house is burning down I don't want little Declan who'd rather be at barber college trying to connect the hose to the water main!

Another point is the motivation. You don't get good work out of people who are being forced to be there, and a lot of the "menial" work (that you don't need significant formal training for and you could do fairly soon after starting) is absolutely vital. Don't book that appointment properly on PIMS Olivia? Sorry Fred, you didn't get that follow up for your macular degeneration treatment and you're irreversibly blind! Didn't clean that toilet properly Callum? Sorry Doris, you've got a fatal case of MRSA! Not to mention the potential liability under the Computer Misuse Act and GDPR of letting strawberry floating morons access NHS computer systems.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 7: THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER - General Election 04/07/24
by Return_of_the_STAR » Sun May 26, 2024 9:32 am

twitter.com/rishisunak/status/1794625683399852530



He still ends it with labour don’t have a plan :lol:

Obviously the tories aren’t getting in so it’s irrelevant but surely 99% of 18yr olds would just choose to do charity volunteering :lol:

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PostRe: Politics Thread 7: THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER - General Election 04/07/24
by Lagamorph » Sun May 26, 2024 10:18 am

And you can guarantee that the children of politicians and billionaires will be exempt because of "vital contributions" at their parents companies or "in the interest of security"

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PostRe: Politics Thread 7: THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER - General Election 04/07/24
by Garth » Sun May 26, 2024 10:30 am

twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1794660412241142257


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PostRe: Politics Thread 7: THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER - General Election 04/07/24
by Prototype » Sun May 26, 2024 10:32 am

Garth wrote:

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Incredible that this banana split is still given air time.


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