Brexit

Apparently, Boris has hit back saying that wasn't the 350 million he was talking about.

Denster wrote:I'm not passive and I don't wish to indulge in fantasy as we have never been looking at or will never likely be seeing a hard Corbyn exit.

This is some filthy fan-fiction you slut

lex-man wrote:Apparently, Boris has hit back saying that wasn't the 350 million he was talking about.

So there is 700 million now? The original 350 and a new magic money tree 350.

I thought the original figure was 200 million? The extra 150 milllion would come from us having 'grown our economy'.

lex-man wrote:Apparently, Boris has hit back saying that wasn't the 350 million he was talking about.

He's famous for driving around in a bus with "£350 million a week for the NHS" written on.

A year later he brings up giving £350m a week to the NHS.

How strawberry floating stupid are those people that assumed he was talking about the same £350m?

I love the fact there's large swathes of the Tory party aghast that Boris would spout a load of lies and throw people (his party in this case) for cackhanded attempts at personal advancement.

Haven't they been paying attention?

At least he's been consistent.

As opposed to Corbyn with his soft or hard brexit u turns every time someone tells him to.

Are we leaving the single market, Jeremy?

Yes.
no
yes

er what is the latest poll saying it favours - yes? Ok, then yes?


Oh hang on - NO. definitely no because Momentum and the unions have said No.

MORE PAY for nurses. fully costed, blah blah blah.


Rinse and repeat.

Oh Denster

Your whataboutery makes you sound like a abused spouse desperately trying to explain why BeatyMcMan is not that bad really...

We're holding Boris up as an example of consistency? He's the ultimate political chancer. He'll say whatever, whenever, if he thinks it'll further his career.

You're better than that Denny. The issue is Boris outright lying. The Foreign Secretary is telling absolute lies. Not misleading, not giving himself wiggle room, not just an opinion but outright, stone cold lies.

Who gives a strawberry float that the leader of the opposition (who has no power) might be misleading people when the holder of one of the great offices of state is basically defrauding our democracy with his lies?

If Labour were in power and the Labour foreign secretary was telling lies of this calibre, then you would rightly savage anybody that defended it by saying the out of power Tory leader had wavered on a position.

Denster wrote:I thought the original figure was 200 million? The extra 150 milllion would come from us having 'grown our economy'.

I have never heard this. But then again, the messaging over this referendum and the outcome has been atrocious, so maybe you are correct.

in response to Moggy.


Read his statement that i posted. It is very carefully worded with just the right degree of ambiguity. So, he isn't actually lying is he? He's doing what almost all politicians do. He's bullshitting.

What's actually astounding is how upsetting you find it. As if all politicians are beacons of light and hope and truth?

It's a made up figure that has been grossly exaggerated and the only reason he has used it again is because it has power and resonates with a lot of the people who voted leave. It is the Slogan for the leave campaign.
It also pisses off the remainers because of that. Greatly.

THAT is why you're upset and will continue to be. It's not because he's saying it but more that people will still believe it. He knows that figure isn't accurate. You do. i do.

But it has a power and an impact.

Squinty wrote:

Denster wrote:I thought the original figure was 200 million? The extra 150 milllion would come from us having 'grown our economy'.

I have never heard this. But then again, the messaging over this referendum and the outcome has been atrocious, so maybe you are correct.

I think he references it in the article.

I have no idea where your post is Denny and can't be arsed to search for it. The Telegraph is behind a paywall so I can't easily find it, but what he said was this:

The mention of £350m came in a Daily Telegraph piece by Mr Johnson.
In it, he wrote: "Once we have settled our accounts, we will take back control of roughly £350 million per week.
"It would be a fine thing, as many of us have pointed out, if a lot of that money went on the NHS."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41301049

That's not ambiguous. That's a lie. A whopping great lie.

Oh and being a Remainer has nothing to do with it. The absolute brazen lies with no consequences by a senior cabinet member is utterly disgusting. I don't give a strawberry float what party it is or what Brexit position they support, it's horrifying that a holder of a great office of state can just defraud the country like that.

It's also utterly shameful that you'll defend it just because he's a member of your chosen party. I called you a fanboy before, this proves it. You're basically Photek screaming "THE MASTER CHIEF COLLECTION WORKS JUST FINE!" at people that dare complain the games a bit broken.

Leavers are going to have to get used to angry "We strawberry floating told you so. Look how much you've strawberry floated up"

It's going to happen for years - and they deserve every bit of contempt behind it.

Well it's not really a lie as such. From what I recall the £350m figure doesn't take into account the money we get back from the EU, so when he talks about taking back "control" of the money, there is a certain truth to that, although I personally find that disingenuous.

In terms of the real terms cost of the EU, I think it actually worked out as £170m, which honestly doesn't sound any better to people struggling on the minimum wage.

captain red dog wrote:Well it's not really a lie as such.

Every fact checker (and some official bodies ) in the country are tearing it to shreds, but still you get defenders.

"It's not really a lie...it's just...not you know...true"

Leave voters. Just when you thought they couldn't go lower...

I mean how broken and partisan do you have to be to defend that?

Hexx wrote:

captain red dog wrote:Well it's not really a lie as such.

"It's not really a lie...it's just...not you know...true"


Leave voters. Just when you thought they couldn't go lower.

It isn't a lie though. We pay £350m a week before the rebate, as I recall, correct me if I am wrong. So what Boris has said here is that if we leave the EU then we control that whole £350m.

The lie would be saying the EU costs £350m a week (That is not the "cost") and that could be spent on the NHS. That was what was plastered on the bus and that simply wasn't true.

But if you think putting the real cost of £170m a week out there would have changed things then I think you are overly optimistic. Most people, leave voters, certainly working class ones, won't see any valuable difference as they will say £170m is still too much.

The whole issue of the cost of the EU in weekly terms is a complete misnomer. It is an irrelevant figure with too many variables.