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Surprised MS haven't come out with a quick win video explaining cross gen game saves in the same way that Sony kicked them when they were down with the game sharing debacle at the start of the Xbox One generation.

It is worrisome that we are only a few weeks from launch and people still don't know about whether games will work on their new system, whether they can bring their saves across etc.

Jenuall wrote:Surprised MS haven't come out with a quick win video explaining cross gen game saves in the same way that Sony kicked them when they were down with the game sharing debacle at the start of the Xbox One generation.

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twitter.com/majornelson/status/1311336293624737793

Photek wrote:

Jenuall wrote:Surprised MS haven't come out with a quick win video explaining cross gen game saves in the same way that Sony kicked them when they were down with the game sharing debacle at the start of the Xbox One generation.

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twitter.com/majornelson/status/1311336293624737793

Yeah they've made a few tweets across various channels, but nothing that's quite as on the nose as the Sony example was last generation - and that got a lot of attention as a result

In no way is that remotely close to the game sharing piss take video.

Microsoft's game compatibility and smart download is increasingly sounding impressive, especially when compared to the lack of detail on this front from Sony. As a big PS4 fan I'd love to be able to use my current games and game saves in the same fashion as the Xbox approach.

Victor Mildew wrote:In no way is that remotely close to the game sharing piss take video.

Nelson tweeted it yesterday during the Yakuza save malarky, sorry I can't find more of MS sh*t talking Sony recently.

Hi photek etc

Exactly. I've got a whole slew of games in various states of progression on my PS4 right now, if Sony were to say clearly that I could carry those games and their saves over to the PS5 with no issue then I would be strongly considering selling up PS4 and upgrading. But right now there is no guarantee what will be supported - I may lose my progress, some games may not work etc.

It's confusion that really doesn't need to be there.

Has Sony actually confirmed whether PS4 game saves can be accessed by a PS5 when running back compat? It's really confusing and why I am only getting a Series X next month as I know it will be good to go out of the box

Jenuall wrote:Exactly. I've got a whole slew of games in various states of progression on my PS4 right now, if Sony were to say clearly that I could carry those games and their saves over to the PS5 with no issue then I would be strongly considering selling up PS4 and upgrading. But right now there is no guarantee what will be supported - I may lose my progress, some games may not work etc.

It's confusion that really doesn't need to be there.

It's like they painted themselves into a corner with all these custom processors for the ps2/3 which makes them an utter twat to emulate, but instead of just coming out and saying that they pretty much point at something in the distance and run off when you turn to look. I want to know if the 99% of ps4 games will work covers my digital stuff, and if even if that's compatible it'll be somewhere on the shop for me to get from my download list.

Victor Mildew wrote:In no way is that remotely close to the game sharing piss take video.

Was that the one they showed at E3 as part of their conference?

I think it was more a YouTube promo video that cropped up at exactly the same sort of time as their E3 conference yes, so it was obviously a response.

Apparently it was literally a lunch time idea that with a small production team Sony PR decided to upload and run with, I studied it at some point for a video production company but can't remember if I have a source for that (wrote a blog about it).

OR mentions gameboy backwards compability; the GBA SP was (and still is) incredible for this as, despite the completely changed form factor, it supported every single Gameboy, GB extended colour pallete (black cart), Gameboy Colour and GBA game which is to this day quite likely still the largest hardware-compatible library of any gaming device ever.

Has it actually ben confirmed saves wont transfer?

Everything i'm seeing is that PS4 saves which are upgraded to PS5 upgrades of the same game wont work as standard.

I'm assuming PS4 saves uploaded to PSN, could be downloaded on PS5 and you can continue your PS4 game save on PS5.

So PS4 > PS5 upgrade - No (Unless the dev does work? Seeing as some have confirmed they're doing it, and some have said not)

But PS4 > PS4 played on PS5 - Yes - downloaded from saved storage on PS+

PS4 games upgraded to PS5 games are different SKU's with different trophy lists, again assumingly - and therefore lies the problem perhaps. Which is why devs can do something, possibly like cross save in the past if they want too (FFX remaster on PS3/VITA/PS4 all could use the same save) The issue may be that Sony haven't mandated it - which is odd considering they mandated the requirement for all PS4 games to work on PS5 from that point at least 5-6 months ago (to public knowledge at least, may have been earlier)

Again, a lot of assumptions but all seems like a reasonable guess. Again, the issue here is the rampant speculation because they aren't coming out and saying it.

Again. My assumption is that digital purchases from PS4 could be accessed and downloaded from and onto the PS5, as well as the save games attached on your PS+ cloud storage. Currently, you can see your entire purchase library and click download on each item to different systems (from my download library I can kick off a download to my PS4,vita and PS3 of the same game from my webapp, and each would start downloading when I turn the system on) so that underlying architecture is there.

Speculation on my part, and also wishful thinking that its that simple.

Green Gecko wrote:I think it was more a YouTube promo video that cropped up at exactly the same sort of time as their E3 conference yes, so it was obviously a response.

Apparently it was literally a lunch time idea that with a small production team Sony PR decided to upload and run with, I studied it at some point for a video production company but can't remember if I have a source for that (wrote a blog about it).

OR mentions gameboy backwards compability; the GBA SP was (and still is) incredible for this as, despite the completely changed form factor, it supported every single Gameboy, GB extended colour pallete (black cart), Gameboy Colour and GBA game which is to this day quite likely still the largest hardware-compatible library of any gaming device ever.

I've still got my GBA SP and it's still going strong today, great piece of kit that was.

It probably wins in terms of number of generations of previous titles it supported (it's own and compatibility with the two before it) although I guess the early PS3 models match this too? Not sure how many PS2/PS1 games the PS3 couldn't play, I imagine there were a few in the mix?

Sadly the sheer number games that got pumped out on some systems like PS2 means that the GBA is unlikely to take the crown for the total number of supported games on a system. I think the PS2 alone had the best part of 2,500 games on it!

MrKirov wrote:Has it actually ben confirmed saves wont transfer?

Everything i'm seeing is that PS4 saves which are upgraded to PS5 upgrades of the same game wont work as standard.

I'm assuming PS4 saves uploaded to PSN, could be downloaded on PS5 and you can continue your PS4 game save on PS5.

So PS4 > PS5 upgrade - No (Unless the dev does work? Seeing as some have confirmed they're doing it, and some have said not)

But PS4 > PS4 played on PS5 - Yes - downloaded from saved storage on PS+

PS4 games upgraded to PS5 games are different SKU's with different trophy lists, again assumingly - and therefore lies the problem perhaps. Which is why devs can do something, possibly like cross save in the past if they want too (FFX remaster on PS3/VITA/PS4 all could use the same save) The issue may be that Sony haven't mandated it - which is odd considering they mandated the requirement for all PS4 games to work on PS5 from that point at least 5-6 months ago (to public knowledge at least, may have been earlier)

Again, a lot of assumptions but all seems like a reasonable guess. Again, the issue here is the rampant speculation because they aren't coming out and saying it.

Again. My assumption is that digital purchases from PS4 could be accessed and downloaded from and onto the PS5, as well as the save games attached on your PS+ cloud storage. Currently, you can see your entire purchase library and click download on each item to different systems (from my download library I can kick off a download to my PS4,vita and PS3 of the same game from my webapp, and each would start downloading when I turn the system on) so that underlying architecture is there.

Speculation on my part, and also wishful thinking that its that simple.

I think it's the cross gen stuff that is causing issues, but I'm not sure. Sony really should clarify.

Photek wrote:

Jenuall wrote:Surprised MS haven't come out with a quick win video explaining cross gen game saves in the same way that Sony kicked them when they were down with the game sharing debacle at the start of the Xbox One generation.

erm...

twitter.com/majornelson/status/1311336293624737793

Wait, it only works with Fallout 4?

That’s awful.

Hadn’t realised they announced a next-gen version of Fallout 4, though. Must have been buried in the acquisition news. Do we know what the enhancements are?

jiggles wrote:

Photek wrote:

Jenuall wrote:Surprised MS haven't come out with a quick win video explaining cross gen game saves in the same way that Sony kicked them when they were down with the game sharing debacle at the start of the Xbox One generation.

erm...

twitter.com/majornelson/status/1311336293624737793

Wait, it only works with Fallout 4?

That’s awful.

Hadn’t realised they announced a next-gen version of Fallout 4, though. Must have been buried in the acquisition news. Do we know what the enhancements are?

I think he is just referring to the fact the Xbox is Backwards compatible so you can play it on Series X and your save will pull straight over.

ITSMILNER wrote:

jiggles wrote:

Photek wrote:

Jenuall wrote:Surprised MS haven't come out with a quick win video explaining cross gen game saves in the same way that Sony kicked them when they were down with the game sharing debacle at the start of the Xbox One generation.

erm...

twitter.com/majornelson/status/1311336293624737793

Wait, it only works with Fallout 4?

That’s awful.

Hadn’t realised they announced a next-gen version of Fallout 4, though. Must have been buried in the acquisition news. Do we know what the enhancements are?

I think he is just referring to the fact the Xbox is Backwards compatible so you can play it on Series X and your save will pull straight over.

So how’s this different from how it works on PS5? My PS4 saves will carry over for my PS4 games just like my Xbox One saves carry over for my Xbox One games on Xbox Series S/X.

As an example of Xbox putting out messaging on what they’re offering that PlayStation isn’t, or even, as a dunk on Sony with the timing of the tweet, it doesn’t make any sense

jiggles wrote:

ITSMILNER wrote:

jiggles wrote:

Photek wrote:

Jenuall wrote:Surprised MS haven't come out with a quick win video explaining cross gen game saves in the same way that Sony kicked them when they were down with the game sharing debacle at the start of the Xbox One generation.

erm...

twitter.com/majornelson/status/1311336293624737793

Wait, it only works with Fallout 4?

That’s awful.

Hadn’t realised they announced a next-gen version of Fallout 4, though. Must have been buried in the acquisition news. Do we know what the enhancements are?

I think he is just referring to the fact the Xbox is Backwards compatible so you can play it on Series X and your save will pull straight over.

So how’s this different from how it works on PS5? My PS4 saves will carry over for my PS4 games just like my Xbox One saves carry over for my Xbox One games on Xbox Series S/X.

As an example of Xbox putting out messaging on what they’re offering that PlayStation isn’t, or even, as a dunk on Sony with the timing of the tweet, it doesn’t make any sense

Well I guess at the moment we have no idea if our saves will carry over, seems silly to think they won’t but who knows.

Another aspect is that you will see improvements playing the game on XSX whereas you might not see the same on PS5.

EDIT: also the fact they are offering 4 generations worth of games on one device

jiggles wrote:

ITSMILNER wrote:

jiggles wrote:

Photek wrote:

Jenuall wrote:Surprised MS haven't come out with a quick win video explaining cross gen game saves in the same way that Sony kicked them when they were down with the game sharing debacle at the start of the Xbox One generation.

erm...

twitter.com/majornelson/status/1311336293624737793

Wait, it only works with Fallout 4?

That’s awful.

Hadn’t realised they announced a next-gen version of Fallout 4, though. Must have been buried in the acquisition news. Do we know what the enhancements are?

I think he is just referring to the fact the Xbox is Backwards compatible so you can play it on Series X and your save will pull straight over.

So how’s this different from how it works on PS5? My PS4 saves will carry over for my PS4 games just like my Xbox One saves carry over for my Xbox One games on Xbox Series S/X.

As an example of Xbox putting out messaging on what they’re offering that PlayStation isn’t, or even, as a dunk on Sony with the timing of the tweet, it doesn’t make any sense

Dirt 5, Yakuza Like a Dragon carry saves from Xbox One to their enhanced version on Series X/S, they don't carry from PS4 to PS5.

Spiderman 'remastered' won't carry saves from your PS4 either.

Other than these examples, nobody knows how many will carry saves and how many won't or will PS4 games run better on PS5?

Xbox is clear that all back compat will run better on Series X/S and all saves carry. Simple.