UK General Election 2015

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Who are you voting for?

Conservative
34
22%
Labour
52
33%
Lib Dem
12
8%
UKIP
7
4%
Green
23
15%
SNP
18
11%
Plaid Cymru
1
1%
DUP
1
1%
Sinn Fein
3
2%
Independent
1
1%
Other (please state)
6
4%
 
Total votes: 158
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Denster
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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Denster » Sat May 09, 2015 11:44 am

Eighthours wrote:
If I was the Tories right now, I'd give Scotland full fiscal autonomy asap. The SNP don't actually want this yet and it's obvious why, but it would be tactical genius - both electorally speaking and in terms of an inevitable second referendum - to let Scotland find out exactly how an anti-austerity agenda in action would be a disaster. It would be horrible for the Scottish people, but it's what they voted for. Watch the political landscape change again then! (Maybe I'm completely wrong and the SNP will be a triumph when given the purse strings. Doubt it, though.)



I'd be very interested in seeing that. I agree wholeheartedly.

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Meep » Sat May 09, 2015 12:04 pm

Why would Cameron want that? If the SNP go down then the likelihood is, assuming Labour can elect a competent leader and win back more marginals in England, they would reclaim Scotland and be in with a great shot in 2020. I suppose you might argue he would he should put country before party but this deliberate incitement of English nationalism during this past campaign shows that this is not how the man thinks.

Also, SNP fiscal autonomy is perhaps not the disaster you seem to think it is; the SNP has a much more reserved than their trash talk towards Labour indicates and their record shows them to be highly effective in running services efficiently (much more so than anywhere in England). It would be a huge gamble to give them such powers and then have them make independence look even better than it does currently.

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Hexx » Sat May 09, 2015 1:03 pm

Meep wrote:d their record shows them to be highly effective in running services efficiently (much more so than anywhere in England).


Given it's you, I'm going to have to ask you to support that with something .

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by E-Man » Sat May 09, 2015 1:04 pm

Regarding the voting system, the SNP support it and would vote to implement PR in Westminster given the opportunity despite having gained heavily from it this election.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 23302.html

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Captain Kinopio » Sat May 09, 2015 1:07 pm

Cal wrote:
BBC must now pay the price for its blatant anti-Conservative bias

As the results filtered through, and the scale of the Tory victory became clear, the BBC seemed to go into official mourning over the phenomenal losses suffered by Labour and the Lib Dems. It was as if the Corporation, in its despair over the collapse of the Left, believed the whole nation shared its anguish. Nothing could have been further from the truth, and once more the BBC missed the real story — the remarkable, historic triumph of conservatism. This abrogation of its responsibility as a public broadcaster will, inevitably, have an effect on its future, as the BBC’s licence fee comes under increasing scrutiny. Undoubtedly, a new and energised Tory Government will look closely at the issue of whether this Left-leaning, management-heavy behemoth should be subsidised by a compulsory tax on TV viewers.


http://www.dailyfail.co.uk/news/article ... z3ZdGaisQ5

The BBC's current Charter is up for renewal in 2017. Tories have already signalled their hostility towards the Corporation, so the BBC can't expect to get the usual deferential 'nod-through' for its annual £3.5bn poll tax on the British public. Sadly for the BBC - and despite their very best efforts - Ed Miliband who, naturally, had explicitly guaranteed the BBC that a Labour Government would leave them alone (it was in the 2015 Labour Manifesto) didn't win the General Election. :toot:

Now it's time for the Tories to settle a few scores with the left-leaning BBC. Can't wait. Time for the BBC stare into the abyss and compete in a commercial market, just like everyone else.

On Last night's post-election Question Time, some dimwit in the audience started (quite literally) shouting about how the Tories cosied up to Rupert Murdoch, whom she claimed was the most powerful media magnate in the country.

Er..no. That would be the BBC, actually. The BBC's news services across all platforms are read, heard and seen by the highest percentage of the British public. That would be the same BBC that is publicly-funded (by demanding money with menaces). Lefties and their hatred of Murdoch ignore the biggest elephant in the room of all. I wonder why?


I've never really engaged you in much of a discussion before Cal, so here we go :dread:

What do you mean by this...

Sadly for the BBC - and despite their very best efforts - Ed Miliband who, naturally, had explicitly guaranteed the BBC that a Labour Government would leave them alone (it was in the 2015 Labour Manifesto) didn't win the General Election. :toot:


Because it seems like you're suggesting the BBC were actively pushing for Miliband to be PM, which seems an utterly ludicrous suggestion without some form of evidence.

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Moggy » Sat May 09, 2015 1:08 pm

If we had had PR:

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Votes per MP:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32601281

I think I am pretty well known as a UKIP hater and even I think that the above shows just how ridiculous our system is.

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Moggy » Sat May 09, 2015 1:08 pm

Captain Kinopio wrote:
I've never really engaged you in much of a discussion before Cal, so here we go :dread:

What do you mean by this...

Sadly for the BBC - and despite their very best efforts - Ed Miliband who, naturally, had explicitly guaranteed the BBC that a Labour Government would leave them alone (it was in the 2015 Labour Manifesto) didn't win the General Election. :toot:


Because it seems like you're suggesting the BBC were actively pushing for Miliband to be leader, which seems an utterly ludicrous suggestion without some form of evidence.


I don't know if he will bother answering you, but you are in for an absolute treat if he does. :slol:

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Eighthours » Sat May 09, 2015 1:11 pm

Meep wrote:Why would Cameron want that? If the SNP go down then the likelihood is, assuming Labour can elect a competent leader and win back more marginals in England, they would reclaim Scotland and be in with a great shot in 2020. I suppose you might argue he would he should put country before party but this deliberate incitement of English nationalism during this past campaign shows that this is not how the man thinks.

Also, SNP fiscal autonomy is perhaps not the disaster you seem to think it is; the SNP has a much more reserved than their trash talk towards Labour indicates and their record shows them to be highly effective in running services efficiently (much more so than anywhere in England). It would be a huge gamble to give them such powers and then have them make independence look even better than it does currently.


Are they reserved, though? I've seen people posting that they're a centrist party, and in the past that has certainly been true, but their anti-austerity policies when the deficit is at its current level are pretty far to the left. If they don't govern like that under full fiscal autonomy then they're going to look pretty untrustworthy.

Salmond gets 2 questions per week at PMQs now, right? Those exchanges should be fun.

On a final, completely unrelated point, the sudden anger of Paddy Ashdown on Question Time last night was pretty disgraceful, IMO.

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Lotus » Sat May 09, 2015 1:15 pm

I'm all for Scotland being given full fiscal autonomy - hope it happens, like some of today's papers are suggesting.

An acquaintance on Facebook has made two comments this morning...one, that anybody who voted Tory should be "utterly ashamed of themselves" :lol: :fp: , and two, she "fears going back to the UK now" (she's on holiday at the moment). :fp: :fp:

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Captain Kinopio » Sat May 09, 2015 1:16 pm

Lotus wrote:I'm all for Scotland being given full fiscal autonomy - hope it happens, like some of today's papers are suggesting.

An acquaintance on Facebook has made two comments this morning...one, that anybody who voted Tory should be "utterly ashamed of themselves" :lol: :fp: , and two, she "fears going back to the UK now" (she's on holiday at the moment). :fp: :fp:


Don't know about you but my new Conservative MP came round and shat in my breakfast this morning.

Apparently it was in the manifesto :(

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by <]:^D » Sat May 09, 2015 1:53 pm

for those supporting electoral reform how would you feel about each constituency's MP being less representative of that area, whereas the national representation would be more representative of the overall electorate? or is there a way round this?

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Hypes » Sat May 09, 2015 3:02 pm

There's various systems to deal with this. Its a long time since my degree but I think the best one is Additional Member + (AM+).

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Skarjo » Sat May 09, 2015 3:24 pm

Captain Kinopio wrote:
Lotus wrote:I'm all for Scotland being given full fiscal autonomy - hope it happens, like some of today's papers are suggesting.

An acquaintance on Facebook has made two comments this morning...one, that anybody who voted Tory should be "utterly ashamed of themselves" :lol: :fp: , and two, she "fears going back to the UK now" (she's on holiday at the moment). :fp: :fp:


Don't know about you but my new Conservative MP came round and shat in my breakfast this morning.

Apparently it was in the manifesto :(


Obviously not true.

That would mean they kept an election promise.

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by No:1 Final Fantasy Fan » Sat May 09, 2015 3:33 pm

I didn't vote this time round. But luckily for me the Tories won in my area anyway, as I was going to vote for the Conservatives. But overall my town is still lib Dems. Which it has been for years anyway.

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Moggy » Sat May 09, 2015 3:42 pm

No:1 Final Fantasy Fan wrote:I didn't vote this time round. But luckily for me the Tories won in my area anyway, as I was going to vote for the Conservatives. But overall my town is still lib Dems. Which it has been for years anyway.


The Tories won but the town is Lib Dem? Huh? :?

Why didn't you vote?

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Skarjo » Sat May 09, 2015 3:45 pm

Lucien wrote:The whole thing reads like it was drawn up by people who never think they'll need help.


"Got mine; strawberry float you."

Tory policy in a nutshell, really.

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Parksey » Sat May 09, 2015 4:16 pm

Just catching up on QT now, and have reached the point with the woman bleating on about Murdoch.

My word, she's made me agree with Lagamorph on politics, which seems like quite an achievement.

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Eighthours » Sat May 09, 2015 4:28 pm

Parksey wrote:Just catching up on QT now, and have reached the point with the woman bleating on about Murdoch.


The left's finest. On QT, I always like her and the guy with a big Laaaandahn accent going on about immigrants.

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Parksey » Sat May 09, 2015 4:35 pm

It is less about her being on the Left or Right and more about her being an idiot in general.

She will have clearly read, somewhere, that opinion on Murdoch and just taken it as gospel, with critically disgesting it and considering other viewpoints.

Such a description applies to people on both sides of the spectrum and the lady being, presumably, left wing has no bearing on her intolerance or idiocy. She would still be an idiot if she were on the right.

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Eighthours » Sat May 09, 2015 4:44 pm

Parksey wrote:It is less about her being on the Left or Right and more about her being an idiot in general.

She will have clearly read, somewhere, that opinion on Murdoch and just taken it as gospel, with critically disgesting it and considering other viewpoints.

Such a description applies to people on both sides of the spectrum and the lady being, presumably, left wing has no bearing on her intolerance or idiocy. She would still be an idiot if she were on the right.


So defensive, Parksey! I also mentioned the token far-right idiot!


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